QQ hand...like DD said, easy ship. Only hand ur worried about is AKss and that's one combo.

KK hand: 3bet more preflop. I assume you are making it < than 3x cause you have KK and not because that's what you do with J9s here?

The turn depends on what I think of villain. Barreling this turn looks huge and might get folds from QQ, TT, AJs, etc. But, he might stack off on the river. That said, you also run the risk of a bad card coming to kill your action. If he's bad, just bet/shove. If he's solid, I'd probably check.

Without knowing what the river was, I'd say you should be shoving like 100% of rivers...even an A or J.

QQ hand.. ehm why anyone said 3bet pre ?

I wont make this mistake again.

thanks.. i am going to try and not be so scary.

To minimize value and narrow his range. I used to do this until I was shown how ****ing bad it was.

i'm sorry, not sure i got what you said. You think we're minimizing value if we 3bet pre?

I think we are losing value by 3b QQ vs. an UTG open vs most opponents, although I mostly play nitring so I might be off a bit with respect to 6m

flatting QQ is fine. 3betting it is fine. We have no history with the villain. So, we can make a couple assumptions:

a) he will call 3bets too wide (good for 3betting)
b) he probably won't 4bet wide (bad for 3betting)

I'm going to disagree with you KB. I don't think it's silly at all. SNG to Cash is a big change, there's no shame in playing really low for a while to build confidence and learn the differences.

I did read in Brian Hasting's blog that he started learning PLO at $25/50, and he seems to have done alright ... so maybe Bendik should just leap in to $5/10

yeah i mean flatting is okay in some spots but you'd have to be squeaky ****ing tight for it to be "bad" to 3 bet at 6 max.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $4.54
BB: $20.00
Hero (UTG): $12.82
MP: $20.68
CO: $20.34
BTN: $20.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 7 6
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 9 8 A (2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.70) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

River: ($5.10) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.20

Yeah, I rarely raise SCs from EP, but this is one of those times I did. Just RAI on flop? Didn't see much use in raising turn if I didn't get it in on the flop, since he's never folding an ace.

I didn't have any reads on his donking tendancies, but he was 47/26/inf over just 22 hands. I was 20/18/4 if it matters but had been fairly quiet since he was at the table. More I look at it, I guess just raising flop and getting it in is best?

I don't think he's folding very often on the flop, but that doesn't really matter. I'd just raise and try to get it in on the flop. He only has 45 bb and you have ~50% equity vs his range.

As played, turn is probably a fold. You flush draw is pretty obv and your straight draw now will have 4 to a straight on the board if it hits. Both these factors limit your implied odds and you are not getting a good price when he pots it.

Tx Devin - what's a good amount to raise flop? I think that's why I didn't raise actually, because I couldn't figure out a good amount that ended with me being the aggressor. RRAI is an overshove imo(?), and of course I have to call if I raise and he shoves. Maybe $2.50 and call shove?

i would pot the flop, it doesn't really matter as long as you don't minraise.

yea, I'd raise on the bigger side to try and discourage a bigger fd from shoving...

WOOT! my 1st $1K day at cash evar! also my best month by far in over a year. i should probly quit for the rest of the year(but i'm sure i won't). thank you guys for making me think about my game. my advice to anyone struggling is to play fewer tables and really think about every decision.

Congrats Dave!

A 1k day? Nice, congrats! What stakes? (I'm partying the night away if i have .5k month on 25NL/50NL)

Here's a hand I played yesterday and that I was lost at (Don't have my PT3DB here, so not everything will be 100% correct).

25NL, Villain is 40/24/4, really aggro and loose and doesn't fold flops that much

UTG: $25
MP: $25
CO: $25
Hero (BTN): $29
SB: $25
BB: $150

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A A
3 folds Hero raises to $0.90, 1 fold, BB calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.95) Q T T (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.30

Cbet is mandatory I guess, when I get raised I get to figure out whether he has a random T or not. Its BTN vs BB and he's aggressive and doesn't like folding, so he might be thinking that the flop might have easily missed me and be FOS, also he might have a Q or a draw and I have a backdoor FD, but I don't want to go broke vs a T so I call... (???)

Turn: ($8.95) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $5.00, Hero calls $5.00

Same as flop, draws didnt get there, I call (???)

River: ($18.95) 3 (2 players)
BB pushes for approximately pot, Hero ???

The obvious draws didn't get there, I have no clue what to do and hate myself for getting into this spot...

flop you can 3bet or just flat against this villain, but your call is to shove turn... you can't really fold river as played anyway.

Dont worry, I didnt, I'm a huge station

But anyway, we're just going broke vs. a possible T because of the BTNvsBB, drawy flop and aggro villian?

What do you prefer a flop 3bet or a turn shove? And if I call the flop, I'm folding 0 turn cards? The turn call is a mistake, right?

Thanks.

I agree with Rebellz basically. I'd lean toward just getting it in on the flop to stack Qs, draws. Because of the draws we have to get it in on the turn, missing too much value by not shoving imo.

As played, the river is a call. His smallish turn bet combined with a river pot bet looks weak to me (or he backdoored the flush).

I actually really like the flat call on the flop. I don't 'hate' a raise or anything, but I'm not convinced that all aggro villains are blindly stacking with any queen or draw on the flop (though I'm sure they are a lot of the time at 25nl). I especially like having the A for some padded redraw equity. Call flop and let him hang himself. I think shoving turn is fine, as you'll have about pot to stick it in with and he likely feels committed with top pair hands, or a hand like AJ or KJ or some other draw. As played, river honestly might be a fold but I think we need something more specific than his vpip/pfr/overall aggro factor to make it so given what we know. Go ahead and call I guess.

i think i would 3bet the flop mostly cuz his raise is so small that if you flat he won't necessarily feel committed to get it in on the turn.

thanks, mostly nl100 HU with a shot at 1/2 to put me over the top.

Thanks guys! This thread is 80/20 vs. the uNL forum.

So as cliffnotes, can I say that we can get it in because our equity vs. his get-it-in range is good enough (when combined with the equity we win by making draws fold) and that we might wait for the turn to get it in, because might commit himself with a worse hand/he might put more money in with a bluff?