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12-04-2009 , 11:58 PM
DD

ignore my last post, I mis-read the hand and thought u flatted a PF Btn Raise.

As played I agree with Dev's line on a paired turn turn.
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12-05-2009 , 12:22 AM
Thx all. Just started using Leak Buster. Does anyone have a lot of experience with it, i.e. has it helped a lot? Or is there anything I should be wary of? It seems pretty sweet so far.
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12-05-2009 , 07:15 PM
After playing sngs for the last 6 months or so i decided to get back into cash games after downloading hem using the 15 day trial.

So today i played 2437 hands of NL25 4 tabling for a loss of -$117. I will save you all from the usual crying about suckouts. Looking at these stats for shown down hands, is it me or have i, a) not hit many big hands and b) had the worst of it when i do hit them far too often (i assure you i am not slow playing biggish hands).


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12-05-2009 , 07:21 PM
I have decided to go back to cash for a while after downloading hem using the 15 day trial. So today was my first day and i played 2.5k hands 4 tabling for a loss of -$117

I will save you from the usual crying about suck outs and stuff. Is it me but looking at these stats did I, a) run really bad in hitting hands, and b)not have the best of it very often the times i did hit these hands.

I don't know, hem is new to me so not sure what to make of these stats.


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12-05-2009 , 07:29 PM
25NL will suck the life out of you if you aren't careful. Always remember....they are not playing back at you. And don't get AI against another fullstack without at least two pair or better (fish being the exception obv.)
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12-05-2009 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
25NL will suck the life out of you if you aren't careful. Always remember....they are not playing back at you. And don't get AI against another fullstack without at least two pair or better (fish being the exception obv.)
...unless its 6m


You'd be better off posting your vpip/pfr/3b/f3b/cb/etc.... stats than those above.
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12-05-2009 , 09:36 PM
would you all tell me how you think i played this hand ?? thoughts, analysis on all streets appreciated. it may be super simple.

only reads on villians is that i dont think they respect my play. they call alot.


thanks


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $112.10
Hero (UTG): $127.55
MP: $100.00
CO: $100.00
BTN: $449.40
SB: $112.75

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $3, MP calls $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) T 6 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $7, MP calls $7, BTN calls $7

Turn: ($31.50) 8 (3 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

River: ($31.50) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks
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12-05-2009 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xxdanimalxx
...unless its 6m


You'd be better off posting your vpip/pfr/3b/f3b/cb/etc.... stats than those above.
Yes, I was referring to FR.
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12-05-2009 , 10:15 PM
earl, i recommend making it 4bbs pf especially from ep. pot the flop to get max value for your hand before a bad turn card kills your action. turn is a sucky spot, but i would bet again since there are still draws and smaller pairs that can call.
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12-07-2009 , 03:56 AM
JJ hand:

I'd bet/fold the turn, there is a tonne of value imo even though it's a 3way pot. So, much of their weaker parts of their range just picked up more outs and they'll call again (T9, 87, 99, 77, 67, etc) and they'll call any Tx. And they'll almost never bluff raise, or value raise worse.

River is a c/f.
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12-07-2009 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dipstikdave
earl, i recommend making it 4bbs pf especially from ep. pot the flop to get max value for your hand before a bad turn card kills your action. turn is a sucky spot, but i would bet again since there are still draws and smaller pairs that can call.
tyvm

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
JJ hand:

I'd bet/fold the turn, there is a tonne of value imo even though it's a 3way pot. So, much of their weaker parts of their range just picked up more outs and they'll call again (T9, 87, 99, 77, 67, etc) and they'll call any Tx. And they'll almost never bluff raise, or value raise worse.

River is a c/f.

tyvm
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12-08-2009 , 02:25 PM
Sorry if this thread is ment only for HHs.

Can some of you cash game grinders tell me something about the variance in 6-max NL? I'm thinking about trying it out in February (I guess I'll start at NL25/50 or something?).

Would be great to have something to look forward to as I'm currently facing one heck of a downswing in the $16s-$38s.
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12-08-2009 , 02:41 PM
there are not magic forms of poker that will not have variance. Cash is no different. It's not as drastic as sngs/mtts. But you can still go on sick downers, and run bad seemingly for ever. Also, playing bad/tilting is much more costly.
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12-08-2009 , 03:05 PM
NL cash variance meter:

HU >>>>>> 6max >>>>>>>>FR
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12-08-2009 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
there are not magic forms of poker that will not have variance. Cash is no different. It's not as drastic as sngs/mtts. But you can still go on sick downers, and run bad seemingly for ever. Also, playing bad/tilting is much more costly.
I know there is variance in all forms of poker, but this is what I want to know more about.
Like for instance how often you can expect to run on a X hands break-even stretch if you have a pretty normal win-rate for regs at this level or something. I know it's probably extremly dificult to describe this, but if you could compare the variance in 9-men turbos vs 6-max NL cash somehow, I would be grateful
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12-08-2009 , 07:18 PM
I would think it depends on how well you play both to some extent and for the turbos at what level.
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12-08-2009 , 07:31 PM
Definitely. I play mainly $27 9-men turbos at stars, but I'm mixing in some $38s and $16s to maintain volume / avoid regs. I think I have around 5% ROI at the $27s, but not large enough sample-size to determine this exactly.

I know this is a dificult question, but any comparison between the variance at 9-men turbo STTs and 6-max NL cash would be great. Let's assume you have the same hourly rate at both games, and that you 8-table the STTs and 4-table the cash-games.
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12-08-2009 , 07:49 PM
Going from the $27's all the way down to 25NL seems...silly. I would defo say running like 15/13ish at 50NL while being pretty solid postflop would be waaaaaaay less swongy than midstakes sngs.
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12-08-2009 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KoreanBuffet
Going from the $27's all the way down to 25NL seems...silly. I would defo say running like 15/13ish at 50NL while being pretty solid postflop would be waaaaaaay less swongy than midstakes sngs.
if you game select well and don't tilt, i would think this is true right up to 100nl.
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12-08-2009 , 10:39 PM
I am really interested in hearing thoughts about a river play. I don't have any reads on the villian, 1st orbit at the table.

All thoughts and analysis on all streets are welcomed.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($110)
BB ($100)
UTG ($135)
Hero ($102)
CO ($247)
BTN ($414)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, fold, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($8.50) Q J 2

UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6

TURN ($20.50) Q J 2 4

UTG bets $14, Hero raises to $35, UTG calls $21

RIVER ($90.50) Q J 2 4 T

UTG checks, Hero ?
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12-08-2009 , 10:58 PM
This isn't BBV. I'd bet my roll that you lost this hand. With that said, this is the easiest shove ever. Rest of hand looks pretty good.
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12-08-2009 , 11:00 PM
What DD said, he has an overpair or worse set way more often than he has AK here so riv=happy dance shove. What do you guys think of raising flop vs raising turn? I think raise turn is best, but I'm unsure.
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12-08-2009 , 11:04 PM
I think raising the turn is necessary to charge any hand that picked up an FD there. I'd prolly go for some spazzy raise on the flop. Like insta min or 2.5x.

Also if this guy happens to be sticking around with AK or some other ******ed straight hand tag him as a fish and value town him again later. Missing a shove on this river is awful.
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12-08-2009 , 11:21 PM
WTF is wrong with me ???

I need some serious help. Is it me or do I suck ??

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($140)
BB ($100)
UTG ($103)
Hero ($100)
CO ($48.65)
BTN ($101)

Dealt to Hero K K

UTG raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $10, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $6.50

FLOP ($21.50) 2 J 5

UTG checks, Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15

TURN ($51.50) 2 J 5 7

UTG checks, Hero
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12-08-2009 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
This isn't BBV. I'd bet my roll that you lost this hand. With that said, this is the easiest shove ever. Rest of hand looks pretty good.
actually i won the hand. i checked behind on the river... villian had JJ. I felt like an idiot by being scared that he may have AK and was trying to trap me.

The hand above that I just posted, I also won after checking on the river ..again ....Villian had QQ.

I think there is something wrong with my thought process if I am not getting full value from these hands. I am just trying to get it ironed out.
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