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05-07-2009 , 10:11 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $5.05
Hero (CO): $11.05
BTN: $8.58
SB: $7.18
BB: $9.85
UTG: $21.55

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J J
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.30, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold, MP calls $0.95

Flop: ($4.00) A 8 6 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.00) 9 (3 players)
SB bets $2, MP folds, Hero folds

Quote:
MP was 62/19 over 40 hands and i would have snapped his 4bet pre obv
SB is 36/13/7.7 over 80 hands

Should i bet the flop as a bluff vs. their wide ranges?

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SB: $9.52
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $13.71
CO: $18.16
BTN: $9.75

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q A
1 fold, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.65, CO calls $0.55, BTN calls $0.55, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.05) 5 2 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1, BTN folds, Hero folds

Quote:
CO is 61/3/2.1 over 70 hands and limp/called almost every hand
BTN is new and sample is too small to say anything about him

c/raise/call or maybe c/shove flop?
thanks in advance. i feel so weak and get crushed at NL10... pathetic...
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05-07-2009 , 11:52 AM
JJ hand is fine. If the flop was rainbow, I might have been more tempted to bet it, but as you say, villains both have wide ranges, which in this case means more Ax type hands.

AQ I check raise the fish 100% - then close down if he calls, not sure how good this is. Against a reg I would lead the flop and see how he responds.
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05-07-2009 , 06:10 PM
JJ: I'd probably call his bet and fold if he barrels the river. He has been so aggro so far I don't think I could fold to just one bet.

AQ hand: I don't like c/f this hand. You have two overs, a gut shot and the best hands some times.

xPeru's line of c/r doesn't seem bad. Shutting down if they don't fold probably would be though. If you c/r to like $4 and he calls, the pot'll be $10 with like $5 behind. Seems like you'd be getting a good price to just shove the river even if he doesn't fold much.

bet/folding is kinda meh cause of your equity and the general terribleness of these guys. c/c isn't bad cause you do have showdown value and can induce bluffs.

so, I guess it's between c/c and c/r. Probably lean towards c/r cause his guy seems like the type to keep betting when ever checked to and you don't really want to have to call 3streets with Ahigh here.
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05-08-2009 , 08:00 AM
Hand #1
HJ was 18/16/0.6 over 85 hands. CO was 19/15/2.5 over 60 hands.
How would you play this? Also as played, what do you do if villain comes over the top?

Party Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $57.29
BTN: $50.74
Hero (SB): $93.30
BB: $71.58
UTG: $114.18

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A K
UTG raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $5.75, CO calls $5.75

Flop: ($23.00) 3 5 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $15.00, UTG calls $15, CO folds

Turn: ($53.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $33.00

Hand #2
UTG was LAG, 40/24/4 over 60 hands. HJ was TAG 20/12/4.3 over 188 hands. Is this a good spot to 3bet-squeeze? Why (not)?

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Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $50.00
BB: $14.91
UTG: $60.43
MP: $53.29
CO: $14.37

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A 7
UTG raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero ??

Hand #3
UTG was LP, BTN was 65/20 over small sample, SB was 33/20 over small sample. Would this be a good spot to squeeze? Why (not)?

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SB: $11.48
Hero (BB): $50.36
UTG: $54.07
MP: $51.13
CO: $64.48
BTN: $18.14

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K J
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, Hero ??

Hand #4
How is this 3bet? What to do to his 4bet? Villain was TAG 22/18/2.5 with 3bet% of 3 over ~100 hands. Am I out of my mind to put him on just QQ+ AK+?

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Hero (MP): $50.00
CO: $15.68
BTN: $68.18
SB: $75.29
BB: $47.93
UTG: $63.08

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with J J
UTG raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, UTG raises to $18.75, Hero ??
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05-08-2009 , 03:31 PM
Hand 1:

Flop looks like a b/c to me. I guess you could c/c to induce some worse hands to bet. c/f or b/f seems weak with two overs, a gutter and the second nut fd.

As played, turn looks good. Just get your stack in at some point.

Hand 2:

It's not bad. Kinda depends on what the lags reaction to 3bet is. The hand plays ok post flop, you have a blocker/over to big pairs and AK/AQ...

Hand 3:

You need to know what you are going to do to a 4bet when you 3bet JJ. If you don't know what you will do, not 3betting is much better.

My standard here would be to flat, w/o a history that getting JJ in preflop would be good. 3betting an UTG open UTG+1 looks huge, you are at the bottom of that huge range, which isn't good.

So, when he 4bets, I'd give him credit and fold.
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05-08-2009 , 06:54 PM
hand 1 figure out the best way to get it in.

the 3 bet questions - could you provide your image?
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05-08-2009 , 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GtrHtr
hand 1 figure out the best way to get it in.

the 3 bet questions - could you provide your image?
I think I had just been playing tight aggressive, not been 3betting much.
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05-09-2009 , 02:18 PM
villain is 18/11/13 over 82 hands and has an iron-man chip


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SB: $20.04
BB: $20.00
UTG: $22.05
CO: $28.46
Hero (BTN): $10.33

BB posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero is BTN with 2 2
BB checks, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, SB checks

Flop: ($0.30) K A 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.30) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.30) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB raises to $19.94 all in, BB folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds


WTF?!?! does he have 67? is it a split? good fold?
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05-09-2009 , 03:33 PM
What's going on preflop? Anyway, looks like you open limped the button with 22. Why?

The blinds are just sitting there waiting to be taken, and your hand doesn't flop very well. If if they are defending their blinds wide you often win when you cbet the flop and you can get to showdown cheaply when in position.

As played it's a fold. I don't think he's bluffing here and I doubt he has a worse hand very often.
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05-09-2009 , 03:41 PM
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As played it's a fold. I don't think he's bluffing here and I doubt he has a worse hand very often.
I don't see how he can think that anyone will bet this river often enough to go for a checkraise with 62 or 76 so I'd probably call.
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05-09-2009 , 04:05 PM
I agree that pf is bad, i was playing some SNGs at the same time so I guess I f'd up that part.
I was trying to percieve what he thought my bet was, could he have done this with something like 2pair or set not giving me credit for backdooring a str8? could he have given me credit w/ a 5 high str8 and tried to lure me in with a better straight or just try to push me off a split pot? but why do that with $20 over $0.3?????
Just starting with cash so bare with me you feedback is greatly appreciated.
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05-09-2009 , 04:34 PM
i like calling against a reg and make a note. vs a random that we may never see again, just fold.
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05-09-2009 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackize
I don't see how he can think that anyone will bet this river often enough to go for a checkraise with 62 or 76 so I'd probably call.
it may be a call. But bad players don't think about how often you will bet when they go for a c/r. They think about their hand and how much they like to c/r.
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05-09-2009 , 05:57 PM
he also could have been going for a c/r on every street, in which case yhig.
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05-09-2009 , 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
it may be a call. But bad players don't think about how often you will bet when they go for a c/r. They think about their hand and how much they like to c/r.
True but I think 18/11's who at least play enough to get iron man are pretty likely to be thinking about that sort of thing at least a little bit.
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05-09-2009 , 08:07 PM
If someone made me limp preflop, I'd definitely bet that flop.
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05-10-2009 , 12:21 AM
Don't forget the rake when suggesting a call. If he calls and it splits, he loses more money than folding.
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05-10-2009 , 12:31 AM
Calling would be terrible. Do the math. You're not ever going to be winning (if the guy was in a pot-stealing mood he'd have bet the river) so you're looking at winning $0.45 vs losing $10. He's not going to have a 2 twenty times for every time he has 67. Not even remotely close. My guess is he has 67 about one in every three times in fact.

As regards the checkraise, given the action on previous streets, the only way anyone is calling a bet on the river from SB is if they have a two. If they have a two, they'll bet. So the checkraise with 67 is fine.

Edit: This is without even considering the rake, which as Peru says makes a call ludicrous.
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05-10-2009 , 12:55 AM
Quote:
As regards the checkraise, given the action on previous streets, the only way anyone is calling a bet on the river from SB is if they have a two. If they have a two, they'll bet. So the checkraise with 67 is fine.
I strongly disagree with this. People at 1/2 call the river here very often with any pair. A 2 will often raise his bet anyway and he also gets calls from various 1 pair hands from time to time. I think SB not betting 76 is a significant mistake. That said I think you're right about it being a fold
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05-10-2009 , 09:03 AM
It's hard for them to have a pair given the way the action went down. The failure to bet flop and turn virtually rules out an ace, king or five. Maybe they rivered a four and intend to call with it but meh. Anyway bit of a pointless argument, I just wanted to demonstrate that checkraise with 76 isn't really that crazy.
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05-10-2009 , 02:24 PM
I just wanted to point out that low stakes games are filled with passive players and that they may not bet a 5 4 3 or K anywhere while they will call a bet with it.

But agreed it's immaterial.
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05-10-2009 , 07:42 PM
i didnt want to open a new thread so i'm asking this in here. i'm currently doing the opposite than people in this thread, i'm switching from cash to single table turbo sngs. the reasons being that i think it is the game that is best tailored for me. i am capable of extreme multitabling (i used to 24 table NL FR and i think given how tight one plays in earlier stages of sngs i can run that number up to 35-40 with a bit of practice). at the same time i am very tilt prone, so i need to keep busy. the more tables, the better. the more i have to play like a robot, the better. that way i will get in a lot of volume (i am aiming at playing at least 100 games a day), so losing streaks will be easier to overcome.
anyway, my question is, is it possible to compare the stakes? for example, 3$ sngs are similar to 10NL, 10$ sngs similar to 25NL and so on. right now i have no idea how tough sng stakes are compared to cash.
i will be starting at 3$ sng's anyway and play about 1000 games at each level, just because i haven't really played sngs before and i want to get used to it. however, it would be nice to know what to expect at each level before hand.
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05-10-2009 , 08:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolepicfailimo
i didnt want to open a new thread so i'm asking this in here. i'm currently doing the opposite than people in this thread, i'm switching from cash to single table turbo sngs. the reasons being that i think it is the game that is best tailored for me. i am capable of extreme multitabling (i used to 24 table NL FR and i think given how tight one plays in earlier stages of sngs i can run that number up to 35-40 with a bit of practice). at the same time i am very tilt prone, so i need to keep busy. the more tables, the better. the more i have to play like a robot, the better. that way i will get in a lot of volume (i am aiming at playing at least 100 games a day), so losing streaks will be easier to overcome.
anyway, my question is, is it possible to compare the stakes? for example, 3$ sngs are similar to 10NL, 10$ sngs similar to 25NL and so on. right now i have no idea how tough sng stakes are compared to cash.
i will be starting at 3$ sng's anyway and play about 1000 games at each level, just because i haven't really played sngs before and i want to get used to it. however, it would be nice to know what to expect at each level before hand.
Competition-wise , I dont think there is any comparison you can make because the games are so different.

Bankroll-wise, you might want 50 SNG buyins in your roll if youre used to having 20 full (100BB) buyins at cash.
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05-10-2009 , 11:18 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $10.40
CO: $9.95
BTN: $5.55
SB: $4.80
BB: $6.00
Hero (UTG): $10.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.30) 8 J K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, SB folds

Turn: ($3.70) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($13.70) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.35 all in, Hero folds

First time I've done this. I called the $5 because I figured that if the board paired I would be getting 2 to 1 as the rest of his stack would be going in anyway. If two pair and sets are in his range, then I think this is OK. He instashoved river, so I folded. What was the worst part of this, calling the $5 - I think fold>shove>call, or folding the river?
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05-11-2009 , 12:53 AM
Sub text to above hand - if I think I've made a big mistake calling the turn, do I continue digging my hole by calling the river or is it correct to cut my stupidity losses and fold when so much of my stack is in?
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