Heh not meant as a slight against you Rob. They just seem a bit too feel based for my taste. And to be fair I haven't been a member of leggo for some months.

don't be talking bad about bobbo. He bought me dinner in vegas.

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MP: $19.99
CO: $17.01
BTN: $5.42
SB: $7.99
BB: $15.00
UTG: $25.67
Hero (UTG+1): $42.94

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.60) 7 9 A (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $1, Hero raises to $3.25, MP folds, CO calls $2.25

Turn: ($9.10) 7 (2 players)
Hero isn't sure what to do now with quads...so he checked out of fear..., CO checks

River: ($9.10) T (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, CO folds

Villain was 40/0 over 17 hands so he could have a random 9, maybe an A but it'd be a weird line with an A, or he has air and was trying to take down the flop but called out of...dumbness?

What kind of line do you do from the turn on? Or should I have waited to check-raise for the river from the get go. I was going to bet down my set, but the quads threw me.

I don't get why you aren't just cbetting the flop. This is a flop you'll be cbetting a ton anyway and you're up against a couple guys that will likely call 3 streets with Ax as well as float you with gutshots and 9x type hands.

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why would u ever open either hand vs these blinds?

He's a calling station and has an ace. I hate your flop check. You need someone to have an ace (or a nine) to get much money out of the hand. Checkraising does your best to blast someone off an ace. By the way, I don't get why you think he might have a nine but it would be a weird line with an ace?

On the turn bet very small, something like $3. He won't be able to resist calling with an ace or draw, and you can then bet the rest of his stack on the river, where hopefully he has enough of a hand to call.

if I c-bet here and the turn blanks, and I firing again or do I check to set up a check-raise on the river? Or am I still playing this too fancy and I should just fire every street?

just firing away on every street sounds like a good plan on NL25. If you had a set of Aces, you could play it a bit more passive.

i hardly ever c/r when i'm the pfr, except against players who like to float/steal a lot or something like that. at microstakes especially i like to build pots early with my big hands by just firing away. if they are folding too much, then you can adjust by bluffing more often.

You bet the turn because he can't put you on pocket 7s anymore. He'll keep calling with the T8 or 86 draw, and chances are he'll also call Ax.

If you have a great hand, when in doubt, err on the side of betting/betting large amounts, unless they are so shortstacked that you can easily get it in by the river if you check early in the hand.

Your thought process should be: "how can I get the most money in the pot?" If he has nothing, you weren't going to stack him anyway.

The thing you can do to try to not push someone off their hand when you have the nuts is to set up the bet sizing so the river is less than pot to shove. The way to not get someone's stack when they have a piece is to check too much & bet too small on early streets.

On my blackberry, so sorry if this sux. Hand at live 1/2 game at Foxwoods last night.

I have $320 behind, dealt 66 in MP.

4 limpers take flop. It comes K59 with two spades and gets checked around.

I hit set on turn. Villain bets $12. I raise to $30. He raises to $90.

Shove, call...fold? He was fairly laggy, and I was tight, and he was aware of my image. Is this always the nutz?? Oh yeah, he had me slightly covered.

shove imo, esp that deep.

I assume the turn wasn't the 6s?

Yeah sorry, turn didn't complete the flush.

id shove the turn then, hell call you with a lot of draws if hes laggy and a lot of 2 pairs if hes not, and the pot is pretty nice to pick up as is

Okay, so no one is ever folding to the third raise? Also, is over 150bb not fairly deep?

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MP1: $2.30
MP2: $3.88
CO: $5.88
Hero (BTN): $21.97
SB: $5.00
BB: $23.33
UTG: $23.41
UTG+1: $43.18

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with T T
UTG calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) 4 9 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($10.35) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($10.35) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $8.50, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Villain was 35/17 over 20 hands, but I haven't really seen him do too much that would lead me to believe he has complete air here. I guess does he check-min-raise with K9 here? That's really the only hand I can see beating, or some T9s.

BTW, my plan was to c/c down after his min raise but the A had me thinking of a lot of Ax hands he could play like this, some AsKs, A9, A7...

yeah, its deep. If he limp pf, checked flop w/ KK, 87 or 99 gg. The biggest 2 hands you need to worry about is 87 or 99 which is a pretty slim range. 8s7s ftw I'm sure but you're only option is to call off a good chunk of your stack.

i dont think im ever folding. i might be inclined to flat.

whats the positioning? will he be first to act on the river? if so, i can see flatting his 3bet and seeing what he does on the river, but im not folding much. if every draw hits on the river and he insta shoves id think about folding, but thats in game read dependent.

i think it's close enough that calling and folding are both reasonable. usually i'll fold in this spot until i get a better idea of villain's range/tendencies.

movieman,

a random at 25nl is more likely to limp call there with 44/77/99 than a hand like A9/K9/T9s/etc.. and his line looks more like a flopped set than a random 9 or ace. Flop min check-raise looks tarpy and once he value bets river he almost never shows up with air here (unless you have a specific read that he does).

I would b/f turn against a lot of villains.

fyp. I'll pay for info to see his hand and make notes. Often, he will have a random 9 or a missed draw here, so the call might even be profitable. Like Dave says, its close.

so i guess a little more broad question, but since im used to sngs im not used to paying for information.

generally, if im in the beginning of a session, which this TT hand was, how much should i be willing to lose for "information"?

i have been allowing myself a 5 dollar cushion, meaning that ill lose up to 5-7 dollars in a given hand if someone has me confused, or i really want to know what they have. should i expand that range to about 10?

fold. it's full ring.