Thanks man.

After reviewing it, that is the conclusion I came to aswell. Unfortanetly ingame i shoved over like a spewtard, Just wanted to double check the hand tho

is there any time with reads that would make this a differnt play then a fold?

Well there's always reads that can do it. CO can be a real aggro spewtard and BTN can be flat out ******ed. You're going to want to fold here a big majority of the time though, at least 90% I would say.

In the cases where you don't fold, either CO is a maniac, in which case you call and then call if he shoves. Or, CO is a reasonable player and BTN is ******ed, in which case you call (folding if he shoves) and then bet (smallish) non Axx flops.

preflop, flop and turn are fine. River it looks like you river the nutz. What other hand could you have but a flush? I guess ur trying to rep 9T, but when trying to rep a draw, you really shouldn't do it when the most obvious one hit and the one most fish are going to be scared of. You didn't c/c two streets with a weak pair to overbet shove the river, that much should be obvious to him.

Don't worry so much about previous lines, really at these stakes or at any stakes against a lot of villains, the hand plays pretty much in a vacuum for them.

edit: ignore me. I didn't look at stack sizes lol. ChrisV is right imo.

As with the last hand I agree with Chris.

It's going to be a pretty sick dynamic before you can get JJ in here profitably, and calling oop against two opponents while not closing the action sucks. So, your only option really is to fold.

People at 100nl don't really 3bet the button as much as they should. So, they certainly aren't very wide from the CO very often. So, that said, the BTN is going to be even tighter.

Shoving is going to massively over rep your hand. I wouldn't put JJ in someone's range very often here if they shove.

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SB: $25.00
BB: $28.40
UTG: $12.35
UTG+1: $34.38
MP: $5.35
CO: $16.11
Hero (BTN): $23.44

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 8 8
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB raises to $4, 2 folds

Raiser was 22/16 over 35 hands...is his range here still JJ+ AK+? Easy fold right? I'm still figuring out PPs in cash.

Me too movieman, I dont think you even had the odds to set mine there because his raise is so large but I'll let the ppl who actaully know what they are talking about comment on yours, Here is another hands that is similar. I think i have to call preflop and set mine but i need to be able to get away from these hands even with boards that look good for my hand. sigh

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Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $100.00
SB: $102.00
BB: $66.00
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $25.00
MP1: $112.00
MP2: $63.30

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 9 9
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, BTN raises to $11, 2 folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($23.50) 2 6 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $16.50 Hero?

Should I maybe lead this flop and see how reacts? Villain is a reg

movieman: the default is fold, versus extremely aggressive players you might call.

mjcace: This situation comes up quite often and is a bitch to play. Here we REALLY need information on the player. Leading is generally a bad idea and mostly what you should do is check call. The turn is where it gets tough. The default is to check fold but versus aggro players sometimes it's necessary to CRAI. Generally leading at any point is a bad strategy. It's a failure at clarifying your position in the hand - if he flat calls, does that mean 88, or TT? And it means you get no money out of worse hands - QJ and suchlike. Finally, it exposes you to a semibluff from a hand like AK, which can comfortably raise allin knowing it's very unlikely you have a hand which it doesn't have 6 outs against, and knowing that your donk bet is often a test to see whether you're winning.

Two big differences in the 88 & 99 hands:

88 hero has the button, which makes calling possibly more appealing, BUT -

even though 99 is OOP, the implied odds are much better because of stack/bet sizes

I dont have a strong opinion on how to play either hand in the best way, and Chris is basically always right, but I thought I'd point those differences out, because I think they are significant.

88 hand I'd fold if I don't have a strong feeling I should call. Ie, if he hasn't been 3betting a lot, and I don't have a real good reason to think he's light I'd fold. If I call, I'm not set mining.

99 hand, I'm not set mining if I'm not folding! Two reasons: 1) his range is probably too weak to set min profitably 100bbs deep and 2) 99 is too strong to set mine with.

If he's really tight, I still think you probably don't have odds to set mine and should just fold.

Thoughts? Villain potted river pretty quickly.


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BTN: $70.91
SB: $9.50
BB: $25.39
Hero (UTG): $50.45
MP: $39.38
CO: $31.03

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.85, 4 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 7 J K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.80) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.25, BB calls $3.25

River: ($11.30) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $11.30

it looks bluffy, but the average nl25er won't make this bet without a strong hand and the river connects with a lot of his likely holdings, so i'd fold.

Probably not a bluff because:

- There aren't really any missed draws
- It was instant and if he was bluffing he'd have to have a hand like T9, which is a weak made hand he wants to turn into a bluff. You'd think this would require a little thought. Even guys who make this bluff I don't think are capable of just mashing the pot button the second the 9 appears.

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BB: $4.65
UTG: $5.00
UTG+1: $46.61
UTG+2: $5.00
MP1: $6.17
MP2: $6.15
CO: $5.25
BTN: $25.70
Hero (SB): $30.11

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A A
6 folds, BTN raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.95) 5 3 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.95) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BTN raises to $3, Hero calls $2

River: ($7.95) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

I had been raising a bunch of pots so I thought I could get away with a slow play, and I was planning to call any bet on the river, but didn't want to get raised big if I bet out like 5 on the river. I figure no real draws get there, except AcJc, but a lot of 2 pairs hit the river.

Villain was 25/25 over 15 hands, and hadn't done much since sitting down...so, thoughts on all streets?

Seeing as how you've been raising a lot, I'd bet bet bet every street unless he's showing significant strength and the board gets ugly. You've established an image and this is a good spot to get some value out of it imo.

AA hand is just a whole lot of FPS.

3bet pre, people don't give you credit here. If you have an aggro image, when you actually have a hand it's important to cash in on the image.

So, 3bet pre, bet bet get it in. As played, I'd get it in on the turn.

Did I butcher this hand horribly?

Villain is 19/16/2 over 370 hands

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Dealt to Hero 88

fold, villain raises to $1, fold, SB calls $0.90, hero calls $0.75,

FLOP ($3) 827

check, check, check,

TURN ($3) 8274

check, hero bets $2, villain calls $2, SB folds,

RIVER ($7) 8274J

hero bets $4, villain raises to $23

Thoughts?

Your line looks fine, except you should check the river. When your opponent calls the turn it's hard to put him on anything other than a flush draw. He didn't have a good hand like an overpair on the flop or he'd have bet. The 4 can't have given him a good made hand. He called 2/3 pot with a player left to act behind, so presumably he has something decent. It all spells nut flush draw.

Sick though it looks, I'd check the river and fold to a bet. If I was playing well at the moment that is, which I'm not. I might call if facing a player who I thought might turn 76, 66, 55 etc into a bluff once I check, since that's the only other thing he might have. You should check the river whether intending to call or not. You will not get calls out of hands like 76 since it's now impossible they're beating whatever you had on the turn.

And obviously fold the river raise, he has a flush literally more than 99% of the time here.

That's a pretty good flop to lead. Lots of opponents check back on flops like that with 2 others in the pot and you can induce bluffraises.

Gave cash another shot and felt like i'm getting crushed completely at NL25... so sad and depressing.

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Dealt to Hero 33

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, SB raises to $2.50, fold, Hero ???


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Dealt to Hero JJ

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB raises to $3.50, fold, CO calls $3, Hero folds

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Dealt to Hero QQ

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO raises to $2.60, fold, SB calls $2.50, fold, Hero raises to $10, CO raises to $25.25 (AI), fold, Hero calls $15.25

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Dealt to Hero QJ

fold, CO calls $0.25, fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks,

FLOP ($0.75) 89T

check, Hero bets $0.75, CO raises to $1.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $5.25, CO calls $3.75,

TURN ($11.25) 89T6

Hero bets $7.75, CO calls $7.75,

RIVER ($26.75) 89T66

Hero checks,

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BTN ($25)

Dealt to Hero AK

fold, BTN raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.80, fold, BTN calls $1.95,

FLOP ($5.85) 296

Hero ???

Thanks in advance guys, i feel like a huge donk at cash, srsly...

That's pretty much my exact thought process there, I figured my mistake was betting the river. Thanks!

33: Fold, but it doesn't really matter. I might call but a large part of that is meta to discourage threebets.
JJ: Your line is fine until after SB reraises, whereupon you have an easy call. You have less implied odds than the last hand, but hitting a set is worth a lot more. The pot is already bigger and you have two opponents to pay you off if you hit. Also, your hand may already be good and SB is unlikely to cbet flops where he misses if he isn't suicidal.
QQ: Definitely get this in preflop.
QJo: Shove the river. Hoping for calls from 7s and stuff like KdT. If he has a full or flush that's too bad at this point. Having good nonflush hands on monotone boards is always tough. I would consider not reraising on the flop versus a lot of guys but it's massively opponent dependant.
AKo: There's no "standard line" here and you have to mix up what you do. Mostly you'll either be betting once (and giving up), betting twice or check folding. I don't like check raise much on this kind of board and check call is out of the question.

Given the description of your interactions to date, I don't like betting once and giving up very much. You've threebet the guy enough that he will have noticed it and he might be a bit fed up. Letting him have it is probably the most prudent action and will enable you to move him off hands later. Firing two barrels is reasonable as well. If you're doing that, cbet reasonably large (like $5) so that you can threaten his whole stack on the turn. You should realise that while this flop looks scary to you, it will often not look that great to him either. He can have hands like 55, QJ etc etc where it looks pretty hopeless.

I would probably check fold like 80% of the time here and fire two barrels the rest of the time.

Jurass,

Hand 1- fold. You need about 20:1 to setmine because he's not stacking off all the time. JJ will find a fold on Axxxx board or he'll miss with AK or AQ etc and 33 isn't strong enough to take to showdown unimproved

Hand 2- I'd 3bet expecting the fish to come along with all sorts of garbage. And I'd get it in if he 4bets since he might be on tilt and could be overvaluing 8s or something equally bad. As played I'm not really sure if it's better to 4bet or call. Depends on if you think the SB is capable of 3betting to try to isolate the fish with a semi wide range like TT+ AJ+

Hand 3- Villain seems pretty aggressive so getting it in pre can't be that bad if it is a mistake.

Hand 4- I think you should flat the minraise on the flop and lead the turn. If he's semibluffing with a diamond he still has a lot of equity on the flop and when you combine that with the times he lets you valuetown your self when he has a flush, it becomes a spot where you aren't happy to get a ton of money in the middle. So best bet is to see a safe turn card and then charge his draws when they have much less equity.

Hand 5- I'd give him this one. He's likely looking to make moves on you and at the very least won't be giving you much credit. So you're in a good spot to valuebet him to death but not such a good one for trying to bluff him off anything.

I don't know, I think he could have quite a few other hands. A7, 76, 55, 44, 22, 54, A6, A5, A9. I don't think you can squarely put him on a flush draw.

That being said, he's not going to bet any of those made hands when you check to him on the river so you can probably comfortably c/f this river. It's probably the best line, but I think I'd end up b/f in game.

He doesn't bet 77, 44, 22 on the river when you check to him?

Those are all unlikely holding since he bets the flop or raises the turn most of the time with them.