of course i can't, i'm not in the hand (sorry about that). i actually thought karp's play was pretty standard, but i like checking the turn since betting will likely fold out worse and i'm not concerned about giving free cards since the str8 already got there and there was no fd on the flop. my plan would be to c/c and reeval river. if it checks thru on turn i would vb river. i also won't cb this flop a lot of the time.

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CO: $150.25
BTN: $123.00
Hero (SB): $113.50
BB: $125.50
UTG: $92.50
MP: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with A A
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, MP calls $9

Flop: ($25.00) T J 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $28, MP raises to $88 all in, Hero calls $60

vill is 26/13/inf. dont have that much info. on him as he just sat at the table

i guess he has random FD's and AQ a bunch here but with sets/straights. i think we're ****ed and couldn't really figure out a range when i called and still can't do it now after the fact.

i think bobbo would advocate a ch/c on this flop, so i advocate one too. b/c cant be that big of a mistake though

Ah, right. Duh. In that case I'd be betting like I said.

i try to iso on the lag shorty, but the unknown btn (20/0 for 12 hands) confuzzles me by flatting. now what?


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UTG: $122.10
MP: $17.00
Hero (CO): $52.55
BTN: $55.95
SB: $49.50
BB: $63.00

MP posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is CO with 8 8
1 fold, MP raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds, MP raises to $17 all in, hero?

dickstick, i think you have to call once you raise

When I first started playing cash, I folded AJo UTG because it helped me avoid difficult spots. I usually open it now because I'm a lot more comfortable playing postflop.

As far as the hand, with your read on the SB I would bet the turn and river for value. I like checking behind the turn a lot more if you don't have that read. After he checks twice, I'm always betting the river for value.

What was his reasoning on that?

we dont ever want to bet/call here because we're getting smoked by a c/r's range. very few hands are going to check/call us and allow us to own them.

right...


I have no idea what this statement means. It sounds like it could be on The Wire.

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UTG: $122.10
MP: $17.00
Hero (CO): $52.55
BTN: $55.95
SB: $49.50
BB: $63.00

MP posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is CO with 8 8
1 fold, MP raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds, MP raises to $17 all in, Hero calls $11, BTN calls $11

Flop: ($51.75) 3 J 3 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero ?

RexWoo, in your AJ hand, its fine to open utg, but you prolly shouldn't open ATo since u aren't comfortable in these spots, but def open ATs.
Here, we are not looking to get it all in, but you should put a value bet in at least on the river.
Ben, felting AA there oop in a 3b pot is fine, but it's just not a great spot.
Dipstik, i check in the 88 hand above if butt is any good and in fact fold pf if he is a bit nitty. If he is a donk, I bet call that flop.

dickstick i didnt see that the btn called was also in the hand.

i think i still call tho. i check here and try to go to SD for cheap.

madsci, i think we need a read before we can bet/call from BTN

Ben, in your AA hand, its a 40-60 so you have pot odds to call his sub pot sized bet (pot sized bet always = 2:1 to u). Once you cbet you are committed.

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Board: Ts Js 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.272% 38.92% 02.35% 12330 745.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 58.728% 56.38% 02.35% 17860 745.00 { 99+, AsKs, AsQs, AJs, KQs, QJs }


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If you want are thinking of folding, you should just check flop for pot control.

Standard line check plz. Thinking of v-betting river, or check/call ... would you ever fold the river if you took either line?

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Hero (MP): $176.30
CO: $99.50
BTN: $50.05
SB: $16.60
BB: $175.20
UTG: $216.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with A J
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 3 8 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO calls $7

Turn: ($23.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $11, Hero calls $11

River: ($45.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero...

I think I'd bet the turrrrn here everytime.
River is kinda meh now, but I guess he calls more than he bets so we should bet.

I might c/c the river because if you bet, almost any reasonable bet pot commits you if he raises - if I bet and get raised here I puke. I think there's a chance he bluffs the river with some whiffed FDs and maybe he bets weaker aces.

Mike - Chances are he doesn't have an Ace and if he does he still might bet if you check. If he doesn't have an Ace your mostly gonna want to check the river so he can continue a bluff, but sometimes to just let him continue underbetting a strong hand. Sometimes he'll have an Ace and either underbet or check behind, but on the whole I think c/c is best.

i like this line against an aggro unknown. i check call river. getting raised anywhere in this hand sucks balls.

Villain here is a TAG with a bit more post-flop aggression than the usual reg. He's not that positionally aware.

I had been 3betting many hands without a showdown in the past 20 hands or so. I felt like this guy could "teach me a lesson" with a light 4bet but I wasnt sure so I decided not to 3bet this hand because I'd fold to a 4bet (which might be loose only in my head).

What is the grand plan for this hand after this flop? Villain usually fires two barrels. He value bets thinly too so his range is in balance i think.

MP: $95.50
CO: $118.00
BTN: $170.60
Hero (SB): $163.90
BB: $173.30
UTG: $142.07

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 9 9
2 folds, CO raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.00) 3 6 7 (2 players)
Hero's plan?

Karp,

My standard would be to check/call the flop then evaluate the turn. If the turn is a good double barrel card you're prolly going to have to check/call again. The problem is if he's a good hand reader he's going to know you're not likely to have a big hand after check/calling twice on this board and he might triple barrel putting you in a pretty tuff spot, especially if the board gets ugly which is likely.

If the turn is a blank I would probably check and fold to a double barrel unless you think he's double barreling his entire range.

If he's the type that auto raises every donkbet you could donk/3-bet shove. The thing is then you're going to fold out everything except the handful of draws in his range plus his hands that have you crushed. Maybe you even get him to fold something like TT or JJ too but I wouldn't count on it. I'm not sure if all the times you collect that extra raise makes it worth the pots you lose when he has a big pair or better.

I don't like donk/calling because then you're still OOP against an aggressive opponent with almost no idea where you stand and the board is likely to get uglier.

I'm interested in hearing other responses to this hand because I'm not terribly confident in my own lines.

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UTG: $525.30
CO: $348.00
Hero (BTN): $1046.00
SB: $384.00
BB: $389.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with 5 3
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, BB calls $8

Flop: ($26.00) J 4 8 (2 players)
BB bets $16, Hero raises to $41, BB calls $25

Turn: ($108.00) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $70, BB calls $70

River: ($248.00) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero thinks about triple barreling....


This is not my normal level so I'm a bit out of my element here even though I'm playing only a single table and really focusing on the action.

Villain is playing a lot of hands and mostly aggressively. Something like 30/25/4 but I only have about 45 hands at the table. He's made a few bets/raises in what I would consider to be non standard spots so his donk on the flop doesn't surprise me too much. My hunch is he's a good LAG but I don't know for certain.

Anyway, since I've been playing very tight and straightforward and have air I decide to raise over his donkbet since I think he'll do it with a lot of hands. When he flat calls I know he has something since the board is pretty dry.

I probably would have gave up after the flop, but then the ace fell and I felt like so much of his range would hate to see that card that it was prolly a solid +ev spot to double barrel. I have a few questions on this spot:

1) Is it dumb to start double barreling scare cards against essentially unknown villains?

2) Do I need to decide right here before I fire the second barrel if I'm willing to fire a third?

3) Is my turn bet a little too small?

Once he calls the turn I think he either has a monster or something like 77, 99, TT, JT, QJ, etc. knowing if I was competent I could use the ace for a scare card.

4) So what factors go into considering whether or not to fire three barrels?

5) If it's a function of the river card, which rivers do you like to fire and which ones cause you to give up?

This thread doesn't get as much love these days, eh? I think both of the last two hands are good hands and have been waiting to hear from our boiz.

Plan for me would be to check-call this flop, and then re-evalling the turn and leading the turn a lot. I also like donking the flop, but I'd have to be prepared to call if he auto-raises. I don't think re-raising would be great however. After I call a flop raise it would really depend on the board after that. But check/calling is going to keep the pot smaller obv and maybe make some decisions easier?

Such an obvious attempt at a brag.

OK, so we used our image and position to steal. Obv you don't do this very often with this hand, but OK.

1. I think unknowns are the best to double-barrel scare cards. You're image is tight and that's all he knows. Perfect double barrel here.

2/3. I think the bet size is fine. If you are going to triple, you may be saving yourself money. If he's calling after this action so far, he'll call $70 as often as he'll call $90. And fold the same as well.

4/5. I'd be considering those other factors at this point...things like how long did it take him to call the flop and turn? How is his Showdown Stats? My natural tendency would be to bet here, since there is no other possible way to win this hand (even T9 beats you). But your line looks a lot like a bluff or AAA or AK/AQ or a set. I rarely ever give up so I'd bet $170ish as if it were for value.