yep, it's this easy imo

Karp- agree with blackize on both pretty much.


Bengiec- yeah, the main thing being that they still call you down with worse crap and you still have a good part of his range to protect from, so there's a lot of merit in bet/folding against weak players in this type of spot imo. If you just know he's never bluffing and isn't going to call down with marginal draws and stuff there's probably more merit to check/folding a later street, but really who wants to do that?

Following on from Bengiec, another AA hand on nightmare board: SB is the table fish VPIP c55%. CO is limping v wide, and has over 20ish hands been v passive.

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MP: $80.60
CO: $56.65
Hero (BTN): $55.25
SB: $68.70
BB: $96.00
UTG: $73.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with A A
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, CO calls $2

Flop: ($8.00) 9 J T (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3, SB raises to $7, CO calls $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($29.00) 4 (3 players)
SB bets $7.50, CO calls $7.50, Hero folds

River: ($44.00) K (2 players)
SB checks, CO checks

hand 1: b/c you're raising 4x his donk is fairly large so I'd just call. Also if you do decide to raise don't raise so big, it negates your leverage in position here by bloating the pot.

hand 2: postflop is fine but don't 3bet. Just call and float/raise his cbets a lot.

I would at least bet bet and see what the river card brings. If its a blank I'd probably fire out ~1/2 pt on the river.

Hero has postiion in this hand but OOP bet/folding is absolutely the correct line unless you have reason to believe villain likes to float flop/bluff turn a lot. Even then this isn't the board to do it on imo.

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SB: $49.05
BB: $97.30
UTG: $112.65
Hero (MP): $372.55
CO: $199.00
BTN: $41.90

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with A Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($16.00) T 7 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($16.00) Q (4 players)
SB bets $6, BB calls $6, Hero ?

SB is a complete window licker (note stack), BB has tagish stats we tangled earlier but nothing special to note. i don't have stats on hand.

xperu why are you checking here? you call a 1/3 pot bet with AA on this board im not sure what your thoughts are here but you should be raising big here, id raise to around 15. Flatting lets everyone in the pot chase all theyre draws, and your not even HU, this line is really bad imo. if we faced a reshove then we come to a decision if he is shoving a sick draw/set, but with reads he both are weak players i might get it in here

perfect spot just to call here bengie. raising leaves u open to be repopped and even bluffed out of your hand, i see no other line than calling and seeing a riv.

agree with hand 1, hand 2 i think is fine given the read that he rarely folds to 3bets, If i can play 99 in position against a wide range i definitely dont mind having a lot of money in the pot already.

I guess I disagree, calling ain't bad by no means, but it's like BB never has a made floosh here, in case SB has it we got the nut redraw+raising gets max value outta SB's toppairs.
I'd raise/get it in against SB and probably cry if BB shoves.

bet/folding is the new check/raising imo

imo

This was my most interesting hand today: I don't want to learn the wrong thing from it.


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BTN: $43.70
Hero (SB): $54.40
BB: $81.40
CO: $52.75

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 9 8
CO raises to $2, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold

CO is 28/19/4 and is c-betting 100% over 70ish hands. Btn is a huge fish playing fit or fold, VPIP 50%, AF 2. 99% of the time I fold here, but I was 5 tabling and felt massively confident in how the hand would play. I was sure CO would c-bet any flop, and Bn would fold unless he hit. So I decided to check raise the c-bet regardless of flop if Bn folded. Sure as eggs is eggs ...

Flop: ($6.50) 2 4 J (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, BTN folds, Hero raises to $15, CO folds

Question: Is this move the sort of move I should be making, or am I at risk of FPS? To be precise, is my poker thinking developing correctly or am I taking a wrong turn?

you have no outs if he continues, the flop is drawy so he's not going to fold many made hands even if they are weakish (88-TT, J8o or w/e), 70 hands isnt a meaningful sample either. The thought process is good but a hand like A3 or even 98cc would be infinitely better for this kind of play.

Other than the diamonds the board isn't that draw heavy, only A5/A3/65 have gutshots so I like this play better on this board than say Jh6s5s or QT8r which hits the connector cards in villain's range. I do agree that the cbet % isn't meaningful since it could be he cbet 1/1 or 10/10 in that sample.

peru, I don't agree with your thought process to c/r ANY board. That would just be lighting money on fire. You call because your hand plays well multiway, there is a huge fish in the hand, and you have good relative position on the pfr. In general check/raising two tone boards as a bluff isn't a great idea because you are repping a much wider range (nuts/draws/bluffs) than you would be repping on a rainbow or monotone board (nuts or bluffs) so an observant villain might be more likely to call the flop range with something like TT here.

Also people don't cbet as often 3way pots as they do HU, especially with a fish that's likely to call a bet on the flop light.

My plan for this hand would be to call pf, c/r if I nail the flop (two pair+) or if flop a draw c/c in hopes of trapping the BTN in the hand. I MIGHT c/r as a bluff if a flop like this came, BTN folds, I think CO is the type of player that won't float the without TPGK or a strong draw, but it's definitely not something I plan on doing when I make the call preflop. Also has futuredoc said, you'd like to have at least some sort of backdoor draw in case you get called.


I would probably make the bet size $17-$18 just to squeeze a little more FE out of the play. Of course, when called you are check/folding any turn. Except maybe a ten or diamond, but even then you need a good read of what kind of range villain is calling the flop with and whether he can fold a good part of that range to further aggression.

BB is like 48/22 and has owned me in the past cause i tilt off stacks to him since I always think he's bluffing has a huge range. Don't remember any crazy squeeze plays but he did 3bet QTo once. BTN is a complete drooler and SB has a small/med pocket pair 99% of the time here (ie he's a nit).


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BB: $90.65
Hero (UTG): $55.65
CO: $64.75
BTN: $23.80
SB: $50.15

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $8.75, Hero ???

call/push/4bet to what size?

$17.50/call any shove even his regular 3-betting range is wide enough to felt vs him, and the dead money in b/w you guys is going to make him both 3bet wider initially and make more ******ed bluff 5-bets. Shoving is also OK but i think he shoves wider than he calls a shove and he's obv not folding anything better than your hand to a shove.

Is folding pre a capital crime?

ship $17.5/call was my line. and your thoughts were mine. just checkin

def not. but its one of those hands you can play if you're looking to open up your game preflop.

With the 98hh hand I can def live with either fold or call pf. Agree with jgunnip though that you shouldn't blindly attack every flop. 70 hands is a small sample and I am 100% sure there are hand/flop combos he would not cbet vs two opps. That said this flop is one that I think he is probably cbetting with 100% of his range, so I don't mind the c/r. I would probably make it a bit smaller, something like $12, to improve the risk/reward ratio a bit. He is still unable to call that with hands like AK and unless he sees you as particularly tricky/aggro he'll probably dump mid pairs too. I would.

Your thought process is good but make it a bit less black and white, like rather than being like "omg I will call 98s here and c/r the flop, total pwnage" make it more like "I'll call because I may be able to checkraise certain flops vs the aggro CO", then reassess on the flop. I have lost a ton of money by falling into the trap of setting a thought process in stone and not rethinking it on a subsequent street.

Thanks Chris, FD, JG

I think I was exaggerating when I said "regardless" re the flop. This was a v friendly flop for my move, but obv there are many where a different line would take precedence over my pre-flop plan. I think what I meant was that I saw an opportunity as the result of my reads and made a non-standard play for me.

not a crime, but not particularly good either. The problem with hands like 98s from the sb is that when you hit, you're oop and you rarely will get any action.

In the 98hh I think the flop raise is fine if he cbets a lot, but you can't always raise air in that spot.

Bengie,
Window licker
I would raise I would expect the BB to raise most better hands and the sb to call a raise with lots of worse pairs and worse draws or maybe even both!

The other night I was just screwing around with an EPT step sng and decided to play some 100nl for fun. I don't know if there is any value in watching this, but it was fun to play.

I haven't been contributing to this thread, so if you have any questions on the hands please ask.

wow...I played bad...I wouldn't watch that.