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01-19-2010 , 12:26 AM

ssnyc

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thoughts on the iso?

He snap called my open...

Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds + t25 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG): t11695 M = 19.49
Natemower (UTG+1): t10488 M = 17.48
robb banks (UTG+2): t3940 M = 6.57
casperwell (MP1): t8025 M = 13.38
PokerSkiBum (MP2): t5081 M = 8.47
Sondersk�nig (CO): t9135 M = 15.22
Ti_Thompson (BTN): t17568 M = 29.28
NeverShort (SB): t5522 M = 9.20
keonna (BB): t1495 M = 2.49

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is UTG with 7

Hero raises to t622, Natemower calls t622, 6 folds, keonna raises to t1470 all in, Hero raises to t11670 all in,

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01-19-2010 , 12:52 AM

gobucks27

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Looks fine to me.

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01-19-2010 , 12:53 AM

tbremer

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i think youre too deep, i flat with 77 and actually fold if natemower isos

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01-19-2010 , 01:12 AM

jkugelman

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Looks right.

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01-19-2010 , 01:28 AM

tbremer

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Originally Posted by Busted Lip

not a fan of the play

If I am in Natemower position i am flatting you with a lot of big hands especially with the stacks that are behind us and our stack sizes. In hopes one of them squeezes > 3 betting you pre. Just makes the "trap" that more effective

I just call, your iso shove looks weak (so if you are gonna do this i suggest having a stronger hand)

His calling range also has you crushed

Risk > Reward in this spot the way you played it

i was going to try and explain my reasoning but this pretty much sums it up. also his snap call of your open is kind of eyebrow raising. people limping/flatting pre with AA KK seems to be an epidemic lately.

if you iso here i think you need to 4bet about 4000 but have to fold to a shove and you dont have enough chips for that. youre basically risking 11000 chips for 3300 chips here.

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01-19-2010 , 01:39 AM

stevematador

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Looks fine to me, you're not really deep enough to put in a smallish 4 bet to say 3k and fold to a shove from Natemower, so I think the play is fine given your stack size there.

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01-19-2010 , 04:55 AM

dereds

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this is good / standard and flatting with the intention of folding if UTG+1 shoves seems terrible

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01-19-2010 , 05:29 AM

furo

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fold pre obv

nh for the rest

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01-19-2010 , 07:42 AM

dereds

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why would hero fold pre?

what is the smallest pair you are opening here?

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01-19-2010 , 08:00 AM

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STF UP AND SHIP

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not folding pre..oO

also i like the isoshove, he could be trapping with a big hand, but ssnyc said that he snapped so thats a timing tell that Natemower wants to see a flop imo (obv not 100%, but i think way more often is a snap no monster than it is a monster)

im shoving it expecting to nearly almost see Natemower fold here

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01-19-2010 , 08:00 AM

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blind squirrel

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Were you kidding furo...Def opening 77, looking at stacks I'm not too eager to get involved with 22-44 I guess.

dereds, what are you opening here?

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01-19-2010 , 08:48 AM

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dereds

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poss 22+ KJs KQo ATs AJo or something but I am raising really small like 520-540 or so

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01-19-2010 , 12:55 PM

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JoeyJoJo Shabadu

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I think he's trapping with a big hand or maybe being a real nit (and flatting 88 99 TT), enough to make this -EV... which only has to be about 1 in 5 right?

and then you still have to win a flip over shorty.

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01-19-2010 , 03:44 PM

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The Lipo Fund

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CiB fold isnt terrible

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01-19-2010 , 03:47 PM

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areaman

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Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund

CiB fold isnt terrible

youre going to be giving yourself a pretty decent price tho...id like that option if we were 1500+ deeper.

depends on UTG+1 shoves range here tho i guess.

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01-19-2010 , 03:50 PM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund

CiB fold isnt terrible

ugh with stacks...

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01-19-2010 , 04:24 PM

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furo

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Originally Posted by blind squirrel

Were you kidding furo...

9 handed 88+ AJs+ AQo+, sometimes 99+ AQo+

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01-19-2010 , 05:00 PM

#18

AHMWM

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nh. looks good to me, I play it the same.

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01-20-2010 , 08:22 AM

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blind squirrel

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Originally Posted by furo

9 handed 88+ AJs+ AQo+, sometimes 99+ AQo+

nit. there are 4 stacks at only 20BB or less tho, 2 of which we can easily call if they ship. Also BB is short, which I usually like.

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01-20-2010 , 08:24 AM

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Keeper1125

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I mean, it's read-dependent but in a vacuum it's fine. Still, as thread indicates it's kinda close.

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