CRAI on turn sexy?

guy had been playing a lot of pots...I had been getting pushed off a lot when I missed i.e. raise pre...either c/f or c bet and give up...

what we think? spew or OK?


Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 34265
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HowBadRyou? (BTN):t2810 M = 37.47
Hero (SB): t2610 M = 34.80
MangosPapa (BB): t2450 M = 32.67
upay4mytreez (UTG): t2691 M = 35.88
MadBoyRaisin (MP): t3409 M = 45.45
Quasssi (CO): t4030 M = 53.73

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with T 8
3 folds, HowBadRyou? calls t50, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, HowBadRyou? calls t150

Flop: (t450) 7 9 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t250, HowBadRyou? calls t250

Turn: (t950) A (2 players)
Hero checks, HowBadRyou? bets t550, Hero raises to t2160 all in

Best card to bluff, nh.

I like it. You have a good amount of fold equity. His limping range probably hasn't improved too much and you have outs if he did bink the a9 sort of hand. The ace is a nice scare card. Good move

c/r flop, shove turn.

I'd rather be in position when I try to steal from this clown. Considering you've been pushed around, I like this move, though it's not something I never try. I'm guessing results are villain soulread you and called with JTo

i like it

You got guts ssnyc..definitely a good card to bluff but what if villian has the Ace? I mean he bet turn when the ace hit. I suppose he could be representing that too. idk, i probably would not play that hand like you did.

board seems pretty dry to crai that turn with Ax or a set.

sooooo this. I think either page-up's line would be better, or you could call the turn and shove river...your current line could get called off here fairly light.

I guess c/r the flop is solid...

I did not even consider that cause my standard line esp OOP is that if I raised pre I C bet...in position I feel like I can get more creative.

on the turn is double barreling>c/r?

I think the flop bet is just fine. He may try to minraise you are raise you small and then you can 3-ball it AI.

I think it's close between a c/r and a lead. Why would you c/r this ace? It's very unlikely he has one, so he's going to be scratching his head here and thinking you have air a bunch and his K9 is good.

The thing is you are putting 20 into 14 and you want a fold (obv.), which with your equity, you need to get a fold ~50% of the time. Close.

But, if you triple barrel this ace, not to mention if a T, 8, 5, 6 (gin), J (gin) hits, it's more credible you had AK/AQ/AJ and are hoping to rip value from him. I don't see you in ANY danger of being RRed on this turn. If you bet 600, he's going to have to expect a shove on the river. If he's not, he'll be surprised to see one. If he has the nuts, he ain't going anywhere anyway, c/r or not.

as usual the goal is to maximize my FE and much as possible...

If I bet the turn and he flats I am really in a bad spot on a bricked river...
Part of the reason I played it this way was cause it fit my pattern of C betting and c/f the turn which I had done a few times...

I expected him to float semi wide with the BB sitting out...

I would c/r this ace cause I think if I had a big ace that would be the best way to get value....he folds most non Aces to a double barrel with these stacks and should stab if I show fear here on turn

Also...I think this maximizes my FE cause without an A he will be hard pressed to make a hero call for all his chips cause who the F bluff c/r a turn anyway?

I like it.

Preflop is nuts, making a relatively small raise OOP with T8s? I'd bet the turn again. The "raise" part of the check/raise seems fine, but the "check" part is not so great, because I wouldn't expect him to be betting the turn very often. The A hits your range a lot harder than it hits his, so bet.

There are plenty of people in bvbs who are going to bluff c/r this turn with draws. It's a pretty strong play, but in bvbs, you may get looked up if your opponent senses frustration / missed draw. And I think it's about 50/50 he does this. But I think if you triple barrel, the odds of a fold fall a little more in your favor. So many hands are in your range with this second bet that hit.

Bottom line is that your hand looks like a missed draw or a monster. the c/r is not bad, don't get me wrong, I think a triple barrel is a little better.

Oh yeah, you said it yourself by the way - "he folds most non aces to a double barrel with these stacks."

So what you are generally saying is that you are hoping to get more value because you think he's floating you a lot here, so have him juice the pot (check), then c/r him because with the amount in the pot, your FE, and your equity, it's +EV plus you get more chips. I think that's fine.

There is a good discussion about this, by the way, in a video by Focault / Savvy Chris in a video they did on PokerSavvy a few weeks ago. But, in Chris's example, the action / positions were different and he had a few more outs going into the river.

Overall, man, I'm not gonna just say "I like it" or "I don't like it." I think it's good, but triple barrelling seems to open up better equity at least by the river.

I guess my problem with triple barrelling is it allows him to talk/price himself into a hero river call...he may be skeptical on turn and call me with TP type hands...on the river I think there is a good chance he feels pot commited and given BVB may call me down unhappily..

by c/r all in here he is forced to make a decision when I showed extreme strength even into the Ace....

also I don't think I agree that then turn c/r with a draw is that common in MTTs esp when the ace comes...seems a bit suicidal which is why I think it looks strong

nah... triple barrel is better here. Triple barrel saves you money when he's got a big hand (he raises turn, you fold). When he has something marginal lie 9xish, he's sometimes gonna check back turn and call river, and he's sometimes gonna pot turn, completely committing himself.

wow. sometimes i just don't understand some of the crazy plays other make. you are willing to risk your stack all in here when the board hits an ace? which aces are you taking this line with? AK, A9, A7?

sigh...obv the goal is for him to fold all non ace hands which is a big part of his range...the better question is can he risk his whole stack here without an ace

and I have some outs when he calls...

what are you doing here?

Yeah. I can only expound on this a little, because it clearly shows why checking < betting here.

The thing is that in order for your logic to work for you, he has to take the best (for you) out of four conceivable options: push, pot, check back, bet half/fold. Checking allows him to choose, with three options really hurting your equity in the hand. Betting allows him to either make a mistake (fold), make another mistake on your whiffed rivers (fold), may give you a ton of equity if you hit, or push and give you room to make the best play (fold). Seems like three barrelling is more equitable because of all of this.

I mean, I understand what your goal was here. This guy was habitually floating you and you wanted to blow him off his unmade/weak hands knowing that he would bet if you checked to him. It doesn't seem viable to me against a thinking opponent because I can't really see you playing a strong hand like you played this draw. However, this play might be +EV against a donkey that knows he can float and bet the turn with air when you give up.

what if he has an ace? you're just blindly betting that a preflop limp caller does not have an ace or will lay an ace down? or to hell with him if he has an ace? and why not risk his whole stack here without an ace! your checkraise looks uber gay to me unless you take this line with an ace. but only because it looks just like you obviously want him to fold.

i don't like this position, and i guess it's because i just don't like the line's start mostly. biggest change i'd make is not 4xing it preflop. i'd call or make it like 6-8x.

and i mostly agree with barry's post above.

what if he does? he would have to have:

1) not raised button pre HU in position
2) floated flop

Yes he can have one but what else in his range can he call with...isnt it more likely that I have the ace given the action?

and 6 to 8X pre is ludicrous dude...why would I ever do that ever???

that reeks of being afraid to play post flop and builds a huge pot OOP

would you play an ace that way? if you'd 4x, then cbet the ace, then checkraise the turn, then yes it is more likely. but that doesn't matter. you only have 1 street to hit. the biggest point i wanted to mention is that this is not the best of semibluffs; you only have 1 street to hit if you are called, and you likely only have 8 outs, so you are relying on mostly fold equity. semibluffing when you have another draw in combination with 8 outs. (ie 2 outs to trips 3 outs to 2 pair, or 7 more outs to the flush...)

it is a semibluff, but u wanted it rated. and i rate it 2 / 10.


and yeah, a big pot that i'm just going to take down postflop or suck out and get them all in.

fold or call pre, never raise given reads. turn id prob just bet again and shove a load of rivers