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10-30-2010 , 09:22 PM

ssnyc

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I've been reasonably active but not crazy...

do we bet/ call, bet/ fold, check eval???

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds + t25 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (CO): t8751 M = 14.59
rogacien2 (BTN): t7656 M = 12.76
Sisman04.04 (SB): t3525 M = 5.88
cracker9ball (BB): t6645 M = 11.07
royal pain (UTG): t4835 M = 8.06
cassiano_tt (UTG+1): t6607 M = 11.01
adr1 (UTG+2): t7470 M = 12.45
e21e21 (MP1): t5300 M = 8.83
lucky1877 (MP2): t9883 M = 16.47

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is CO with 7

5 folds, Hero raises to t575, rogacien2 calls t575, 2 folds

Flop: (t1750) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets t875, rogacien2 calls t875

Turn: (t3500) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks,

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10-30-2010 , 09:29 PM

desperad0oo7

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I double barrel this all day long

most likely bet/fold since our pair outs are probably not good. but I expect to take it down there a ton

but I'd do some math before. not sure, too busy to do it now

Edit: did some math. I bet 1800 OTT and fold to a shove.

Last edited by desperad0oo7; 10-30-2010 at 09:37 PM.

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10-30-2010 , 10:18 PM

justblaze47

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Any reads on button?

I think the plan here is to semi bluff/barrel turn..

A lot of the time he's floating you or has some sort of weak king here and a turn bet really puts him to a decision.

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10-30-2010 , 10:40 PM

JudyIsApunk

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Yes bet/fold is the way to go here. It's alway nice with some equity to our bluffs on the second barrel. In adition to the turnplay I would like add that I ship like all rivers if BTN just call us on turn. He just won flat anything on that turncard that he is very comfortable to get it in with, I belive.

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10-30-2010 , 11:07 PM

Strife

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1875 ldo

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10-30-2010 , 11:17 PM

Potamito

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Didnt like the bet size pre, pretty muchy gave both blinds enough equity to call with almost atc and, and post flop i double barril that flop b/f.

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10-30-2010 , 11:21 PM

ssnyc

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Originally Posted by Potamito

Didnt like the bet size pre, pretty muchy gave both blinds enough equity to call with almost atc and, and post flop i double barril that flop b/f.

seems ideal if they flat ATC

we have position and win the pot very often post

let them flatter flat away I say

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10-30-2010 , 11:21 PM

desperad0oo7

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Originally Posted by Potamito

Didnt like the bet size pre, pretty muchy gave both blinds enough equity to call with almost atc and, and post flop i double barril that flop b/f.

which is good because we can pawn them in position.

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10-30-2010 , 11:51 PM

Jarheadian

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Originally Posted by Potamito

Didnt like the bet size pre, pretty muchy gave both blinds enough equity to call with almost atc and, and post flop i double barril that flop b/f.

Pretty standard sizing. We want them flatting their junk so we can make them cry in position.

Ssync I would def. barrel here he is floating a lot.
my vote is for a b/f

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10-31-2010 , 01:58 AM

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Howtown

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c/f with your spr

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10-31-2010 , 05:29 AM

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pkchamp

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liking the 2nd barrel

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10-31-2010 , 12:25 PM

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Potamito

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Originally Posted by Jarheadian

Pretty standard sizing. We want them flatting their junk so we can make them cry in position.

Ssync I would def. barrel here he is floating a lot.
my vote is for a b/f

Maybe ur right, but the way i see it is that if we are gonna let villians enter the pot with junk why not make them pay expensive for it and not give them better than 2:1 to call...And mostly of the bad beat/suckouts stories that i´ve heard start that way, by letting villians enter with junk.
Keep it comming, i like this debates, intresting spot for me.

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10-31-2010 , 03:24 PM

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desperad0oo7

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Originally Posted by Potamito

because we want to open frequently from LP and we also want to cbet very often and we also want villains to flat with junk. If every pot you open is bigger, your cbets will be bigger and it can be pretty difficult to play. By keeping the pot smaller we maximize our edge postflop.

at least that's why I open 2.2x. What villains forget to consider the reverse implied odds of their hands which usually are pretty bad vs a good player and OOP. They are charging themselves by flatting without even knowing it

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10-31-2010 , 03:41 PM

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furo

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i used to 2nd barrel but they dont fold the made hands often enough.
checking behind as default/readless.

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10-31-2010 , 05:32 PM

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justblaze47

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Originally Posted by furo

i used to 2nd barrel but they dont fold the made hands often enough.
checking behind as default/readless.

+1. Interesting

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10-31-2010 , 05:39 PM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by furo

i used to 2nd barrel but they dont fold the made hands often enough.
checking behind as default/readless.

that would be great if we were in position and could check behind

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10-31-2010 , 07:22 PM

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thunderbolt1

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10-31-2010 , 07:53 PM

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sunnydunerz

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agree with c/f i mean yeah we have equity but hes just not folding enough and we basically commit ourselves to jamming rivers

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