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10-04-2010 , 08:22 PM

smiteme

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Villains in the blinds are unknown... If I set them at 15% a piece wiz has us shoving 43.6%. If one opens up to 20%, we have to drop down to 30%... 98s is still included in this range, but only barely and its risking a lot for a pretty small gain

Since villains are unknown average randos should I be err on the side of caution and fold this here?

What are u shoving with vs randoms?

Full Tilt Poker $11 + $1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: t2655 8.85 BBs
Hero (BTN): t3260 10.87 BBs
SB: t1910 6.37 BBs
BB: t2485 8.28 BBs
UTG: t3190 10.63 BBs

Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is BTN with 9s8s

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10-04-2010 , 11:11 PM

RagzToRiches

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Don't think anyone shoves as wide OTB as wiz says we can in alot of cases simply for variance purposes and the fact that being folded around to indicates the blinds are the most likely pair to have a hand, but I defo ram home that lovely hand you have there for a 14% increase.

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10-05-2010 , 03:34 AM

smiteme

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I've been shoving hands worse than this all day every day with this kind of stack set up... I got into a conversation with another reg who was strongly suggesting this was bad. What range are u willing to shove with here given the stack setup vs unknown villains?

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10-05-2010 , 04:45 PM

mckrogh

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I think this is a pretty interesting spot. And im always unsure of how wide I should shove. Cause like RtR says, we could shove wide according to wiz. But somehow I always manage to shove to tight here. So my range below will probably be wrong:

22+,A2s+,K5s+,Q6s+,J7s+,T8s+,98s,87s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o +,J9o+,T9o

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10-05-2010 , 05:06 PM

RagzToRiches

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Umm hard to say, not used to this no ante rubbish, tho I have some sample on FTP.

Probably any pair, any broadway, 89s+ folding T9o tho. If that actually makes any sense. I'm gonna wiz it and see if 89s is beter than T9o lol

post wiz: mm tis alot better than T9o

Anyways you intially put blinds on 15% which is too high in nearly all cases iyam, 10 and 12% sees us able to push 85%, that's why I said we're never pushing wide enough and rightly so, I think if we pushed as wide as wiz says in every opportuinty available we would profit less.

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10-05-2010 , 05:39 PM

smiteme

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^ Yeah I tend to assign wider calling ranges when I have a healthy stack 5 handed... It just seems like its risking too much for a very small gain otherwise

If the blinds were 200/400 then I'm shoving like ATC here

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10-06-2010 , 12:24 AM

Kvaughan

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I definitely jam 98s here.

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10-06-2010 , 01:06 AM

WhiteRabbito

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that's a pretty sexy stack set up

i'm shoving

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10-06-2010 , 01:43 AM

sippin_criss

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Originally Posted by RagzToRiches

Do you mean cuz they would eventually adjust and call wider? Or cuz you like to pass on +ev spots? I know what you mean with not wanting to shove bottom junk though.

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10-06-2010 , 04:59 AM

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mckrogh

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^^^Sippin, how wide would you shove in such a spot?

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