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Also, once a cheat always a cheat, leopard can't change it's spots, etc...

In before Sorel kills himself

btw if it isnt clear racener asked me to make this post and bring this story public

Maybe we'll get lucky?

i think it makes sense to post this b.c
'Sorel then makes up excuses why he cheated saying it was the prescription drugs he's on I think he also made the claim he had a family member die recently and it has him all ****ed up in the head.'
combined with sorel's response which sounds so pathological it's ridic. my old roommate was a total pathological manipulative kinda dude and that sounds exactly like something he would've said.

now that certainly isn't conclusive, but important to post this so people who are considering making big bets with sorel know about these accusations. if sorel has great counterarguments, then he can come here and make them.

When I saw the name "crookedhat99" as the last reply, I thought it was Racener's 2+2 account.

He'll eventually try to cheat the wrong person and this type of **** may catch up to him. Doesn't even have to be a criminal-type person, you take enough money from a regular joe and crimes of passion can happen.

Wishing someone to kill themselves, no matter how ****** a person, is pretty ****** itself.

+1000. well written, and then THAT as the definitive proof at the end???

well he's far from innocent, but there wasnt certainty in the OP that is why I added the stuff in parentheses.

you're right it wasnt necessary, the multiple ........... were meant has a pretty ironic "IF" -.-

You're cool.

People go to prison on less evidence than this, Shaun is certainly justified in posting it. Racener gave a detailed account of what he claims occurred. And you have to assess the likelihood that Racener would make this up.

lol @ ppl talkin **** to Deeb for posting this. If I was Charder30 I'd say this is 100 % true and 0 % chance that Racener/Deeb are mistaken/making it up.

Not saying it happened here but isn't Sorel extremely exploitable to being freerolled in situations like this.

I mean you gamble with him and if you win,you win,if you lose you cry foul and say he cheated and pretty much everyone will believe you.

I'm not saying people should be sympathetic towards him before I get jumped on lol,just an observation.

as I said to deeb on AIM, I have no problem with him making the post given that racener wanted him to

I have no idea why racener would pick someone so illiterate to write it for him, but oh well

Only if you're as big a poker name as John Racener is now do you have that sort of luxury.

If Sorel was innocent do you really think he'd just eat the huge monetary loss and not say anything to anyone about it? It makes no sense for Racener to randomly try to scam him and ruin Sorel's reputation further.

Now had Sorel come out bitching about Racener paying just following PCA and Racener eventually came up with this story, then yeah, maybe Sorel would be in a better position in the court of public opinion but AFAIK that isn't what happened.

I dont think this is the case at all.

wtf is wrong with sorel if this is true, ffs man grow the **** up

Yeah i'm in no way implying it happened here,I thought opening with "not saying it happened here" would have done the job.

for real? who cares, deeb did a great job writing the alleged incident with an under the circumstances objective view on the matter.
not to forget his rep in tournament poker community makes him a great deliverer, virtually noone would would miss the thread.

I'm really not confident racener is any more literate than Shaun, and this is actually one of his easier to read posts. Don't really see the point in pointing this out, unless of course u are an imp fan boy (which I doubt that u r)

There's no reason to even worry about Shaun's psychoanalysis of Sorel's explanation, it doesn't matter at all. In fact, his OP is like 100x more damning if he just deletes it because it leaves a LOL taste in my mouth when I read it.

Sorel either admitted to Racener that he cheated and blamed it on meds(etc), or he didn't. This is why Racener should have made this OP and not Shaun. Or at the very least he should have been ready to say something to support Shaun's claims faster than he has.

Not to say I don't trust Shaun, because I do. I just think that in a case like this we should always try to have first hand information.

I don't want to open up Pandora's box and just allow anyone to accuse everyone of shadiness based off something they heard 4th hand from some guy who might know someone who was there.

Out of shame? I gave you 1000:1

can we get bradl in here

Was just about to say this. The fact no one heard about Racener grimming Sorel out of a Chinese debt is pretty damning for Sorel.

also, doesnt this basically seal it? whats there left to discuss? i really dont get it