John asked me what medium he should take to get the word out to the public. The reason he never came to thread in his eyes the job was done he just wanted other people who may have been cheated by sorel to contact him and for those who question the story I posted to ask him in person and now he's content I hope sorels post will cause him to come to the thread. John doesn't understand how posting helps his cause here and helps get the true story out as I'm sure the story is somewhere in between everything posted and the more info the better the public can use their opinions to decide.

As for sorels post the 3 year line is lol do you remember your coming clean post where you admitted MAing so much and also I was told by an ex member of FTP security the one who finally caught you just how hard youd try how many more accounts it was then anyone else knew and also that you were def also doing it at stars. You are scum with our without the validity of this story you should leave poker because no one should trust you with $ you are there for yourself always have been.

lol seriously he doesnt see how him posting about it will help? so were supposed to go off what a 3rd party who wasnt present is saying and form our own conclusions based on what even further away parties are saying and reputation of people involved?

also it goes from john being too busy to make an account to post the story to him not thinking it will help so it doesnt matter anymore. this happened at pca and its been over a month. seems like it would help his case at least a teeny bit to say something in his own name in a timely fashion. its obviously not that serious to him if this is the way its being approached.

lol first. not sure i completely agree but plz poast more, thx.

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I think the conversation might have gone like :

JR : That Sorel guy cheated me man Shaun...I think...Hic! Brb getting my 20th beer
SFD: lets nail him coz hes cheater online too and no reason to keep this down and a good drama bomb on 2p2
JR : Yea tell them all....Hic!...that he dealt jokers...Hic!...s(#@, bottle broke. brb beer! Hic!
SFD : so ill post on forums and you come or not is fine but world will get out sorel cheated and was MAing jokers for years and is depressed.
JR : Right on..Hic! brb driving to Sorel's house!



Mods delete if unnecessary. I tried, but just couldn't do a sheets/TFT quality one .

I think I decoded it

King - you should consider learning who it is you're making comments about before randomly commenting.

I'm mediocre at poker.

Goggles? not so much.

OT

Ugh, this is such ********. Sorry.

We need to hear the first hand account of how Sorel defended himself when the cheating was accused. Not a second hand account.

If you have the need to let everyone know about someone else who scammed them out of money, you should have the desire to say it yourself. That isn't to say the story isn't true, but this **** pisses me off.

what if racener was blackout when he thought he saw sorel cheat?

If JR wanted to bring the situation into a public setting, he is obligated to participate.

Having Shaun post a second-hand account of the event is better than not informing the public at all. But only if some type of validation/evidence/other is involved.

There is no good reason why JR hasn't provided his own description of the events. In fact, not doing so is suspicious and irresponsible, even if he is 100% telling the truth and has only positive intentions in this whole ordeal.

If i were sfd i would be very pissed at JR right now.

I concur

yeah, i mean, he obv needs to at least come in and verify some basic stuff like that the convo took place, that he agrees with sfd's post, etc...

i'm not trying to hate on the messenger shaun, but that is a gigantic pile of horsesheet.
you just call someone out for the most serious allegation possible in poker thru a 3rd party, then can't be bothered to back up the allegations yourself?
he feels "the job is done" and "he doesn't understand how posting can help his cause"?

he can't be this stupid right?

its funny how all the NVG trolls just did exactly what sorel said they would do (wasn't a tough call) but at least he came in here and posted.
i have no idea why people are so willing to just accept whatever it is JR says WHEN HE WON'T EVEN COME HERE AND SAY IT HIMSELF.....i dunno much about sorel's past, and i get that most people have a very low opinion of him, but this mob mentality at 2p2 is beyond ridic, and this particular instance is just embarrassing.

some guy makes up some allegations, won't even repeat them himself, presents no evidence whatsoever, and there is a full-blown witch hunt.

there is a pretty big discrepancy in the stories (ie: one version has someone admit outright to cheating, the other doesn't) maybe JR would take time from his busy schedule of slandering people 3rd hand to comment on that particular aspect of the story.

i know this comes off as me defending sorel, but its really much more just outright head explode at how JR is handling this whole thing.

he's taking the complete defamation of character so unbelievably trivially its insulting.

please john, i've never met you so prove me wrong.

This thread is funnier than anything posted in 4L in the last month at least. Not sure if that is awesome for MTTc, terrible for 4L or both.

i find it interesting that sorel is not mad about racener not paying up and has made no effort to collect....yet at the same time, sorel handed racener money for a sports bet that he owed...if someone was down to me for 20k and was claiming i was cheating and i honestly wasn't, number 1) i would never pay the outstanding sportsbet until this issue was resolved, and 2) I would be telling people about how racener was trying to weasle out of paying what he lost...

however, none of this is the case. they were playing chinese poker, racner lost a ton and also believes he saw sorel bottom dealing, and confirms it by turning up the joker...then afterwards, racner not only refuses to pay the 10 or 20k or w/e, but demands he is paid his money from the sports bet and sorel pays up on the sports bet????...i'm confused, as these actions seem real sketch...i mean even if i wanted to believe....lots of holes in the defense.. add this together with the taking over of the account 3 years ago, and the supposed skype conversations where he explains how he MA's, and all the other tidbits that have come out over the years, hard to keep playing the victim card...

JD

Basically Sorel cheats, gets caught, thinks it isn't right that the guy pays since he got caught, pays past debt to the guy to make Racener happy and hope he doesn't tell the community. Then, Sorel keeps cheating and making profits at Chinese. Now that won't work with 2+2ers. gg.

I think that all this discussion is missing is the fact that it's ******ed to degen on chinese poker.

its also somewhat ignorant and insensitive to use the word "******ed" to describe an action in this sense

Once a cheater always a cheater!

You never fail.

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Also, I don't think Racener even remembers enough to make a legible post that would show clear guilt imo. I've played/dealt to loads of really drunk people before and watching how they act with little to no content on consequences of their actions makes me believe this about JR. The guy obviously has a VERY SERIOUS drinking problem. Yes, you dummkopfs, 3 DUIs in one year is w/o a doubt serious. In fact, he should probably be in jail.

Whether or not he was actually drunk during the game is quite important.

1. It would could've led Sorel into potentially take a shot at cheating over a drunk Racener who is in and out of consciousness at the table.
2. Cause John to act illogically and rage over a loss to the point where he starts spouting off ridiculous **** and running with it once it comes out of his mouth.

As I stated before, Sorel, in my eyes, looks better than Racener at this point just for addressing the allegation in a collective and reasonable manner. Many of you may not agree with his defense or even care what he has to say at all.. but its certainly more than anything Racener has said up to this point.

It was Racener who made the claim and the sole reason this thread exists..

So where is he?

u realize its only slander and defamation if what he said about him was false right

Not defending SM, but OP handled this very poorly. Starting this thread when not even directly involved?

Why is everyone saying 3 DUI's in one year? I thought I remember the photos of his mugshots in NVG ranging from like 2004 to very recent.

I could be wrong about the year on the first one, but I remember he looked older in between each one.

I'm thinking Shaun jumped the gun a bit here and could've/should've waited until Racener was ready to post, before coming in here. He said "I have a frog who can sing (and will)".. but hasn't yet produced anything. This time, I can see why the messenger is catching some heat. If Racener doesn't produce now, it's only gonna look bad for him (and even worse for Shaun). But Sorel.. nah, not so much.