Sorry if this is already discussed I did a search and could not find the such a thread.

I play low limits on stars I normally play the 18 man but sometimes the 180 I am open to playing whatever is best for building my bankroll up just cannot find data on what would have the best ROI between the SNG's.

My bankroll is at a little over $200 I gridded up from playing free rolls it was a bit higher but I need some extra money for vacation so I cashed out $300 a few weeks ago. I am trying to play tournaments that I have 100 + buy ins for but if I am going to play in a higher variance game do I need more buy ins say for the 180 player game vrs an 18 play SNG.

Thank you in advance to anyone that can shed light on my questions.

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May I ask why 180 has the highest ROI ? The higher payouts with lots of bad players at the $2 dollar limit ?

more players at the same BI level usually equates to higher ROI....

If you are playing on a limited roll than play like 18-45 men non turbos..but if you are at 200$ you could easily grind the 2$ 180 men turbo and see a 50% ROI(not entirely sure whats average here but this should be fairly standard for a good player)

higher ROI does not necessarily mean more profit

CCuster_911 thanks for your feedback that makes sense.

Limpcallall ROI doesn't equal more profit ? Why is that ? Do you mean because it takes longer to play a 180 man ? where I can muilt tab 8 - 12 18 man turbo SNG's and make more money faster that way or something along those lines ?

im assuming he is not changing the number of tables he runs....

It still doesnt mean more profit. Even 1 tabling. You will have more losing days with 180's.

Unless you put in awesome volume like I do.

180s have the highest ROI. Generally, the bigger the FS, the higher the ROI. However, that doesn't necessarily mean 180s are the most profitable. They take more time to fill up, so you can't get as much volume. They also take longer to finish, which also brings down your $/hour. Also, you're not nearly rolled well enough to play the 180s. If you're gonna try the 180s, you probably need 200 BIs or so to feel comfortable.

Also, I wouldn't recommend the 90s. The "turbo" 90s take about 2 Hrs to finish while the turbo 180s take only about 90 minutes. That makes 180s much more profitable.

are you leveling? still in the end youll see more profit over the same number of games....

depends on stakes of each game, but yeah over the same number of games but 180's take longer playing the same number of games in the same amount of time would be idiotic

So I shouldn't play the stars $2 180-man with $200 cash I should have like $440 for 200 buy in's plus rake poloplaya1414 ?

When I've played the 180 I use Tournament Indicator and play 4 tables most of the time a normal session when I play the 18 man's is 8 tables sometimes 12 depending on if I have any distractions like my wife being home ect but I do play those without TI to much stuff to launch for me.

Golf_Adonis is my SN on stars if anyone wants to shark scope my data I would be happy to upload it but I am not really sure how not sure it add's anything to the thread but I do appreciate all your guys info and feedback.

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Yup. You might be able to get away with a bit less at the $2 level, but 200 BIs is a good rule of thumb. $200 is definitely not enough.

lets do a prop bet...you play 12$ 45 men ill play 12$ 180 men...

i just scoped you golfing_stud and you are probably easily able to play the 2$ 180 men.....sure its not a comfortable rol but the chances of you hitting a 100BI downswing are so minute

I'd be willing to prop this if we went based on a certain time frame vs. total number of games played. This would be a ******ed bet for you though.

wait you mean who makes most over like 1 week?

That's sort of what I thought I really can't see tilting / downswinging that much off and going bust even if I did I have a ton of FFP's to build with which I've done before a few times when I've cashed.

I think what I'd like to do is just be playing in the most profitable game I can at a proper bankroll limit. If it's 9 or 180 it doesn't really matter to me I just have to allow for an hour and a half vrs 45 minutes or whatever the case may be.

CCuster_911 do you muilt table the 180's if so how many do you play ? I think for me 4 is about right because I don't want to make a donk misclick play with to many tables popping up in a deeper tournament with more money on the line.

There's an option on stars to not have tables popup when it's your turn, that helps me prevent misclicks, and you can tell it's your turn to act b/c it blinks in your taskbar.

200 BI is a ridiculously conservative bankroll for the 180s. Seriously, 100 buyins is very ample in these. They are a bit of a minefield, but the fields are ridiculously soft.

I am talking about the non-turbos...haven't played the turbos.

I have an 82% ROI in 4/180's and ive had an 85 BI downswing so calling a 100 buy in bankroll ridiculously conservative for a turbo 180 is ******ed.

just play the 45s as there is less variance. and in terms of $ per hour i would say they are at least equal to 180s. the 18s are good too as variance is even lower but obv roi is less again. 100 BI is plenty for 45s but tight for 180s. but in terms of playing the most ******ed players the 180s are excellent. i much prefer the prize structure in the 45s though.

If you could read you "******", then you would see that I stated I wasn't talking about turbos.