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08-23-2017 , 11:15 AM
I always struggle with small pairs in spots like this.

PokerStars - 75/150 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 38.14 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 39.98 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 25.79 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 46.96 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (BTN): 28.39 BB
SB: 43.95 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 48.18 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 26.37 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 39.9 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 11)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.7 BB, 2 players) K 9 8
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (8.7 BB, 2 players) 9
CO bets 4.35 BB, fold

CO wins 8.7 BB
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08-23-2017 , 11:20 AM
Looks ok to me, or just fold pre. Either is fine IMO
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08-23-2017 , 11:59 AM
Standard set mine eject on the turn. Well played (as in you did not overplay the spp)

Not to trivialize the thread in any way....
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08-23-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
Standard set mine eject on the turn. Well played (as in you did not overplay the spp)

Not to trivialize the thread in any way....
It's one of those spots where I don't quite have the implied odds to set-mine, even though I have the direct odds, but it seems really weak to toss a pair on the button facing a CO open...and 3-betting is very high risk...
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08-23-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
It's one of those spots where I don't quite have the implied odds to set-mine, even though I have the direct odds, but it seems really weak to toss a pair on the button facing a CO open...and 3-betting is very high risk...


In a tourney, tossing it pre is perfectly valid.
Seeing a flop for 3x is probably break even in a vacuum and table dependent.

Lots of players will fire at least two barrels at you, I suspect a bet by you (if turn was checked by vil) on that turn would be checkraised, for instance.

Its one of those times that being in position is less powerful since your hand does not play well on most boards.
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08-23-2017 , 01:56 PM
fold pre or as played.

np
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08-23-2017 , 02:27 PM
You aren't deep enough to set mine here. So I think folding is better than calling. But I think depending on the villain and the hand being CO va BTN, I might add this into my 3-bet bluff range.
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08-23-2017 , 02:34 PM
It's definitely a flat considering sb and/or bb will also call a lot ( esp with their stats) even without a hud or readless vs them with sb and bb stack sizes one or both will call often enough to give you the odds to set mine, even if they all come along and u miss u still have position in a 14.5 bb pot and can still play post

As played villain should be cbetting all kx aa + most sc woke 67, 10jdd etc, he most likely bets a9 on flop, too me looks like you can probably call turn and bomb river if he checks to you

Last edited by 26sk8er; 08-23-2017 at 02:46 PM. Reason: Depending on river, plus it's more complicated then what I stated but not a trivial fold on turn imo
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08-23-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 26sk8er
It's definitely a flat considering sb and/or bb will also call a lot ( esp with their stats) even without a hud or readless vs them with sb and bb stack sizes one or both will call often enough to give you the odds to set mine, even if they all come along and u miss u still have position in a 14.5 bb pot and can still play post

As played villain should be cbetting all kx aa + most sc woke 67, 10jdd etc, he most likely bets a9 on flop, too me looks like you can probably call turn and bomb river if he checks to you
SB is more likely to put in a squeeze then to call out of position. And we don't have very much room at all to play post flop with an SPR of under 2.
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08-23-2017 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 26sk8er
It's definitely a flat considering sb and/or bb will also call a lot ( esp with their stats) even without a hud or readless vs them with sb and bb stack sizes one or both will call often enough to give you the odds to set mine, even if they all come along and u miss u still have position in a 14.5 bb pot and can still play post

As played villain should be cbetting all kx aa + most sc woke 67, 10jdd etc, he most likely bets a9 on flop, too me looks like you can probably call turn and bomb river if he checks to you
This might be a bit too high variance for me. If I call turn we'll have a 16bb pot on the river, so I'll have to commit at least 8bb on the bluff. If I'm wrong my stack drops to about 15bb. Dropping from 30 to 15bb on a bluff is very costly.

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08-23-2017 , 05:02 PM
Can sometimes stab the flop. Seems fine tho.
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08-23-2017 , 10:52 PM
shove or fold, calling is bad imo

set mining odds in this spot req ~60bb. Set mining vs a LP raise is generally poor b/c villains range is weak so we won't get paid off if we hit
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08-24-2017 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight
shove or fold, calling is bad imo

set mining odds in this spot req ~60bb. Set mining vs a LP raise is generally poor b/c villains range is weak so we won't get paid off if we hit
Shove 28bb?

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08-24-2017 , 08:43 AM
Yeah it's on the big end but okay. My rule of thumb is when it pot is 20% my stack size


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08-25-2017 , 12:17 AM
shove pf
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08-25-2017 , 08:27 AM
I'd fold 5s.
What would the other folders call. 88+?
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