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Shoving Adjustments When Anticipating Hero-(over)call Tendencies Shoving Adjustments When Anticipating Hero-(over)call Tendencies

09-11-2024 , 08:54 AM
I've been doing the smallest T$ tourneys on GGPoker ($0.25 2.5hr turbos) and have run up against a common tendency: when I'm shoving to isolate a short-stack who's already gone all-in, there's a general willingness to overcall with a wide range.

Example:
I raise to 2.5BB from UTG (8max), am called by HJ and SB, and the shortstack on the BB shoves to 8BB. I think they'd do it with any two cards, and shove 44BB to isolate, thinking a premium hand would have 3bet me from HJ (33BB behind) or squeezed from SB (45BB behind). The HJ called my shove and SB folded.
I'm happy with my read, in theory, because the BB indeed was shoving light with T4s, and the HJ had called with KQo; but I'm trying to figure out if overcalls like that are something I'm not adjusting to or if it's more inflated variance from the format and player pool.

I'm trying to gauge player tendencies, but I'm trying to figure out if my thinking is off in the abstract since this format moves you table-to-table a lot.
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09-11-2024 , 09:26 AM
Maybe its true in extremely small priced tournaments but I find that when I jam in these situations callers behind almost always fold. Now I'm an old white guy so part of it may be that they think my jamming range is very solid but its also because I've opened in EP, I didn't get raised by them because either their hand really isn't that strong (like the KQo hand you discussed) and/or my hand likely is (or I would have just called the jam or folded).

In cash tournaments I really can't remember a time I got called after jamming when a small stack previously 3 bet jammed. There was one time in a day 1C $600 tournament where I raised with 66 and got called and then a smallish stack (like 20 blinds) jammed and I rejammed and got called by JTo. The reason he called though was probably because he basically had like 25 blinds and believed he was getting decent odds. The first jammer had AK so it was kind of a miracle my 66 held.

I think that the important thing here though is that I am not tending to jam with hands that aren't strong like KQ/KJs/QJ/JT/87s/etc. because in the event that somebody has 88-JJ I don't want to be facing a disaster if they call. My jamming range after a short stack jam is probably like AJ+/66+
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09-11-2024 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
Maybe its true in extremely small priced tournaments but I find that when I jam in these situations callers behind almost always fold. Now I'm an old white guy so part of it may be that they think my jamming range is very solid but its also because I've opened in EP, I didn't get raised by them because either their hand really isn't that strong (like the KQo hand you discussed) and/or my hand likely is (or I would have just called the jam or folded).

In cash tournaments I really can't remember a time I got called after jamming when a small stack previously 3 bet jammed. There was one time in a day 1C $600 tournament where I raised with 66 and got called and then a smallish stack (like 20 blinds) jammed and I rejammed and got called by JTo. The reason he called though was probably because he basically had like 25 blinds and believed he was getting decent odds. The first jammer had AK so it was kind of a miracle my 66 held.

I think that the important thing here though is that I am not tending to jam with hands that aren't strong like KQ/KJs/QJ/JT/87s/etc. because in the event that somebody has 88-JJ I don't want to be facing a disaster if they call. My jamming range after a short stack jam is probably like AJ+/66+
Thank you, I think it is the microstakes and it being a turbo, something of a feedback loop between wild play (because, hey, it's only a quarter have some fun) and people anticipating that wild play.
So people might be jamming wider because people call wider, or they call wider because people will jam light (and, to be fair, it is very fun to catch a all-in bluff), also just how easy it is to do online and not even think about how a multiway shove pot affects equity.

Happy to hear I'm on the right track!
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