No 5 card plo event this year?

Hey everyone,

I wanted to give you a few details about what we're planning to do with SCOOP satellites. As you're probably aware, our past few major events (Monday Million, Sunday Storm Anniversary, and Sunday Million Anniversary) have required those who win satellites to play the Event, allowing no opportunity to unregister from the tournament. This has worked quite well, but we want to try something a bit different with SCOOP by awarding tickets rather than entry. This will ensure that satellite money will end up in the Events or their satellites, but will afford players the flexibility of playing whenever they want. Since this is the first time we're trying this on a large scale, we will evaluate its success on a constant basis. If for some reason we are unsuccessful, we'll revert to a must-play system.

A couple clarifications as to how this will work:

1. When playing a satellite targeting an Event, the prize pool column will say "tickets" instead of "seats".
2. Players who win a seat during late registration will be registered to the tournament as usual. If a player is already playing or has played the target tournament, they will receive a ticket.
3. If a player unregisters from an Event after winning a satellite, they will receive a SCOOP-specific ticket. These tickets can be used in any equally priced Event or satellite.
4. These tickets will not expire after SCOOP. Their expiration date is in the very distant future. If at any point we plan to expire them, players will receive a more than reasonable amount of notice to use them.
5. Player-funded tickets and promotional tickets typically have different expiration dates, so be sure to keep track!
6. Tournaments with added money will still lock players in. An example of this would be a VIP Bash to the SCOOP Main Events.

The intention behind this change is fairly straightforward. SCOOP is a festival of thousands of tournaments. By awarding tickets, we're creating an ecology specific to SCOOP rather than tournaments in general via T$. At the same time, locking players into targets, some of which have 4-6 hours of late registration, restricts flexibility to a large degree. This solution is somewhere in the middle.

As you play SCOOP, please let me know if you have any suggestions on how to improve the satellite offering or how we're awarding tickets. For now, I've just created some generic ticket tournaments for various levels. As player interest increases, I'll add some new tournaments to the mix.

Lastly, I wanted to mention that we'll be running a Mega sat to each Main Event this coming Sunday @ 15:00ET. We're guaranteed 10x $109 seats, 3x $1,050 seats, and 1x $10,300 seat. Good luck!

Seems like a great change for the satellites. The big questions for the satty grinders will be of course: do you get tickets for every seat won or only for the first one, and are the tickets transferable?

This is happening in the 6max SNG editions as well? So basically I can only win 1/2/3 $3500 sats to the $10k Main now since every seat I win, I have to use in a $10k MTT? Am I understanding this correctly?

I feel strongly that SNG satellites should be treated separately from MTT satellites as they are completely different games. The first seat must be used in the target system I think is great and I'd be happy to see it used this SCOOP in the 6max hyper sats, but this system that is being proposed is going to be an utter disaster for all players involved

Basically there will be no traffic which will piss off recs who are trying to get into targets. This doesn't even take into account the fact there are a slew of recs that play the sats as a main format that they enjoy, but rarely play the events, who now will not be able to do so. This also kills players being able to rail the nosebleeds, as none will run. I know for a fact every day there a lot of 2p2ers that rail the 1.7k+ sats, it is a really entertaining format with tons of AI's/action etc.


Outside of just the player/observer experience, this move will cost PS a lot of money. PS absolutely prints money (while keeping customers satisfied enough (both regs and recs!) in the current climate with the current offerings!) at this format, more so now than ever before.

I know a lot of regs dislike the first ticket must play rule (because yes, they just want to collect $Ts) but I've thought that is a great system and helps balance out the situation, but this will definitely not work whatsoever at the 6max sats and I really hope you consider reverting back before the series itself starts.

Yeah, it is fine for MTT sats, but would be bs for sng sats!

It would totally kill all the sng sat action. And yes, many recs are playing them just because they enjoy that format.

This would be horrible for 6-max sats. Please reconsider!

So you're replacing T$ with tournament specific tickets? No that's not a good idea.

giving 215$ ticket is fine and first ticket must play is good, but giving 1k, 2k or 10k ticket is just ******ed and ignorant no reg will grind sats that award 1k+ tickets and i think this will be big fail and imo this will also reflect as snow ball at 1ks+ target mtts

What's the advantage of this over just T$ and first seat must play? Seems like huge downsides are attached to this compared to maybe a very very tiny upside of more people spending their T$ during scoop instead of outside of it...

Where can I vote on Player's choice? #TeamAnteUp

Saw this gem in Stars MTT thread


I really really really do hope that the 2nd place finisher in this year's 100% KO SCOOP doesn't knock a single opponent, resulting in as net loss for finishing 2nd in whatever-1k-field and playing for something like 12 hours. Luke has a pretty twisted sense of what it makes to #MakePokerGreatAgain.

Then again those 100% KO's are like pretty much lottery with current format where only last chip of villain's stack has $ value, so it's easy to see why Amaya wants to run this ****. Hopefully majority of players skip so it's gonna close to overlay. The only sensible way to run 100% KO is to have like 5k starting stack (and assume $5k buy-in for simplecity's sake). Whenever you win a pot and get stack over 5k chips, half of the the chips going over 5k would get converted as dollars to your account and the rest stay in play.

That format was a thing on ftp called cashiut mtts and was a maaayve fail/ complete disaster

played one of the scoop ticket sats and you got to fix the "itm bug". When the last awarded tickets are reached the tournament still continues and as you can imagine people still fold. Bit annoying in the long run.

Pfff... And you grind sng sats, not mtts, am I right?

RIP 6m sats jeso poor slayer1fan

No, I can count on one hand how many SNG sats I played this year...I know this sucks(tickets) in MTT sats, but what can you do? Whining won't succed here, if they see that it sucks, maybe they will change it back(lol) or improve it(from t$s u will pay more rake, but they are doing this because they don't like that the sats are regfest and most of the times they win..its pretty obvious that they just want less regs there)
For special Events I am "okay" with this, but for regular MTTs I am not.

Tickets will be available for use in any tournament with the same buy-in once SCOOP concludes.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Not mentioning 6-max hyper SNGs in my previous post was an oversight. 6-max hypers will be first seat must play. Subsequent wins will award T$.

Although after my response above it is a moot point, I enormously disagree with the bold. In terms of our satellite offering as a whole, these satellites behave least like satellites. An extremely small portion of the seats generated in these tournaments are used in the target when compared to any other SNG or MTT format.

Tickets will ensure that all of the money is used in SCOOP. T$ can be used in any tournament, including Spin & Go, Beat the Clock, KO Poker, and so on. We're investing a lot of resources into SCOOP and we want to ensure that it is as successful as it can be.

No need to worry about the long run. I've changed all of the satellites to target a tournament. They will appear like a normal satellite, but will not register you for the target (if it hasn't started) and will award a ticket.

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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
giving 215$ ticket is fine and first ticket must play is good, but giving 1k, 2k or 10k ticket is just ******ed and ignorant no reg will grind sats that award 1k+ tickets and i think this will be big fail and imo this will also reflect as snow ball at 1ks+ target mtts

Although after my response above it is a moot point, I enormously disagree with the bold. In terms of our satellite offering as a whole, these satellites behave least like satellites. An extremely small portion of the seats generated in these tournaments are used in the target when compared to any other SNG or MTT format.

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my point is that if you are giving 1k tickets (those can only be spend at super tuesday, thrill, 1k sunday, and scoop 1k events) motivation to grind sats to reduce variance/make profits is ZERO because if for ex some one invest like 3,3k in 109 sats and win like for ex 5 tickets the whole 3,3k roll that he was grinding sats with, is gone and transformed in 5x 1k tickets and he must play 5 tough mtts,(i dont think that are a lot of players(sats grinders that dont regularly play 1ks) that want to give 3k$ to play 5x 1k tough MTTs, how much roi they will have in those 5x1k) with T$ sats grinders can register any 109/215 etc etc (also important is that they can use T$ to grind more sats)

i think first ticket must play is super cool and good, but after that you should just leave T$ as they were working just fine

or if you just want/must reward tickets you should give option to people to chop 1050$/2100$ tickets to smaller one 109$/215$ MTT tickets
for ex
1050$ MTT ticket + 40$= 10x109$ MTT tickets
1050$ MTT ticket + 25$= 5x215$ MTT tickets
1050$ MTT ticket + 31$= 4x 09$ MTT tickets + 3x215$ MTT tickets
*(2100$= 2x1050$ tickets= X/Y x109/215 tickets)

This ++++
Think it's prob easier to use the current deep stack structure (for all events other then the last starting timed ones) but obv blind levels go up every 15 minutes for Low 20 for Mid etc. This is SCOOP one of the few chances we have to play really deep and we should not be short changed by it.

Um, I think that's the point: to discourage satty grinding. It's much better for poker if a $215 satty for a $1050 event is getting 15 recreational players into the event rather than 3 recreational players and 12 T$ grinders who won't even play. The point of this change isn't to force the satty grinders to play the target events; it's for there to be fewer satty grinders, making satties softer and more effective for recreational player seat creation.

With that said, keep in mind that one way to gain liquidity from winning high stakes tickets is to sell action for the target event. Presuming you're a decent player and have friends (big assumptions I know ), you could probably sell 90% at 1.1 to get yourself a freeroll in every $1050 event.

IMO T$ are pretty broken in general. They're so easily sold for 99%+ of face value that they are essentially just $, but with some added hassle. I think one alternative to this policy is something along the lines of disallowing T$ transfers or requiring T$ only be used for MTTs.

Overall, I think this satty policy change is good for poker in all regards (tickets for MTT sats, first seat must play for 6max). One question: will the must-play first seat for 6max be given as a ticket so players aren't required to play from the start?

Stopping the Satty grinding is the first thing i have seen stars do that i agree with in a long time. When a fish reg like myself looks at the lobby and sees all the hyper wizards winning their 100th package us little people just dont have a chance and don't reg.

Not practical but whats wrong with win one seat then you can't reg anymore satties to the same target? Point of satties is to get lower stakes players in the target event. I have respect for the work these guys have done to get to the top of the chain but speaking from outside that clique this is a good change.

What sort of assurances will players possibility need to risk saving a scoop ticket after the festival? Amaya has hardly been the sort of company to honour these things in the past. Why would we trust you now?

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yea i agree to this and is all good, but the problem imo is that sats will have less ticket (guaranteed)awarded and that will turn off recs to play and probably there will be only 1-3 sats max running worth playing, with 10-20 seats guarteed, and they will probably be on the day off the target MTT (starting like 6-10 hours before target MTT), with probalby ****y structure etc (speaking about sats for 1k+)

in realty imo this new sats sistem is basicly step/phase MTT with ****y structure steps