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02-14-2015 , 02:46 PM
As half the people itt pointed out there are way too many PSKOs and turbos. WU first sunday should not be psko.
+1 to kickoff event, great idea
+1 to better saturdays, maybe add a 30/300/3k 8max last saturday and start it early
I personally love the ante up, so pls dont remove it.
Action hour should be there as well and you should try a phase tourney too but with a lower buyin.
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02-14-2015 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsover9000!!
good post
Very good post. +1000
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02-14-2015 , 03:43 PM
agree with ante-up being a terrible format... tilts the hell out of me (angry)
-1 ante-up
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02-14-2015 , 03:50 PM
Personally, I'm totally cool with the late Events being Turbos -- I mean it's 23:00 Central European Time...

On the contrary, if I was playing from Canada, Mexico or the like, I would also f*cking hate it!
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02-14-2015 , 04:25 PM
Thumbs down for ante-up and n-Stack tournaments.

I like PSKO tourneys but we need more normal 6max or 8-9max nlhe tournaments that are not just replaced by the current majors!

+1 for Kickoff and action hour events!

Less/no turbos!
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02-14-2015 , 04:40 PM
Action Hours dont really work for scoop IMO. The M and H are mostly filled with players either late regging and trying to get to the add-on as cheap as possible or sat winners who don't have the roll to rebuy/add-on.
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02-14-2015 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NickOrLess
Bryan,

I have a number of thoughts. I'll try to be concise, as well as pick my battles.

I also have 571k lifetime VPPs (and counting!!) (am I a valued customer or what?!) I plan to play most of the NL high events.

My overwhelmingly strongest feeling is on what dates SCOOP should run. Now, I realize these dates are set for this year, and that's just fine. But I would really like to hammer home the idea right now of having SCOOP 2016 in April. It solves so many logistical issues, without much of a drawback. It was mentioned in this thread that .FR SCOOP runs in April, and this is (potentially) why .com SCOOP doesn't run in April. It seems that the .com SCOOP should get the priority time slot, as it caters to the most players. Now I imagine there are several factors involved here that I'm not even aware of, but my hope is that if you start now, you can begin clearing some of the hurdles that stand in the way of .com SCOOP being in April, and we can in fact have .com SCOOP in April for 2016.

I don't see a single dissenting voice in the thread I linked to or this one. Looking at some logistics:

-2015 EPT Grand Final: April 18- May 8th. 2015 SCOOP dates have no conflict, but neither would they if SCOOP was in April.

-2015 WSOP: First open event is a big one, 5k NL on Wednesday May 27th. That's pretty quick turnout from Monte Carlo to SCOOP to Vegas, especially for players playing EPT GF and SCOOP from Europe. April SCOOP eases this constant grind, and transition between places greatly.

-2015 WSOP Circuit Championship: It looks like the exact 2015 dates haven't been announced yet, but last year it ran May 22-24th. Those dates seem extremely likely again this year. That is a direct conflict with SCOOP. Granted, this will affect a small number of players, and PokerStars holds most of the cards here, in the sense that most players would chose SCOOP over WSOP NC, if forced to make a decision. So I recognize you have little incentive to accommodate a small group of players here, but one time?? Of course April SCOOP makes this WSOP NC an easy stop for people able and wanting to play all of the tournaments mentioned above.

My 2nd biggest priority is changing the SCOOP event one. I would be really disheartened actually if this event was some form of a knockout. This is the Sunday Warmup, it's an absolute classic. Everyone loves it for what it has, and has for years, and will for years to come. Please do not drastically change the format of this, even once a year. Change the seats from 9 to 6 or 8, but making this a KO would be really disappointing to me.

I enjoy any form of KO tourney, and I think I understand the bigger picture reasoning Stars has for pushing this format to be more prevalent. I'm not thrilled (....) with all the KO additions, but I'm willing to concede this point because 1. It makes sense big picture wise and 2. They're not that bad. I just think that making event one, the Warm Up, a KO event, is taking it too far.

I'll concede KOs but contest turbos. Now I love turbos, and have played all EPTs this year (as an American) , except Deauville, which I skipped because I was excited to play Tcoop. But during Scoop, I would just prefer to have far fewer turbo events. I don't mind the idea of adding one to close a day here and there, in principle, the issue is that there are just so many other non-turbo formats that these events replace that I would much rather see on the schedule and play. Like Wednesday May 20th strikes me as a pretty bizarre day. I don't understand the theory of making the later two events of the day turbos.

A few more thoughts:

-Strongly agree that a Kickoff event on both Sundays makes a lot of sense, and would be a huge success. I could see tons of people adding a couple of hours to their Sunday game play because of this addition.

- I really like event 16, big antes with rebuys. Similar events that I would love to see on the schedule again this year are the 500c and the 500r AH, in that order.

-The n-stack event idea seems a little strange to be pushing this hard out of nowhere. I don't mind it per se, but it seems odd to replace popular events like the 500c or 500 AH with this format. I'd prefer to see the n-stack sacrificed for other events.

-I don't know how to play any stud games, but the idea of a triple stud event seems sweet. It seems like a lot of fun, and cool to get 3 games into one event - not to say that i think the individual stud stud8 and razz events shoul be sacrificed, of course not.

-2-7 single draw would be awesome. Again I don't know the rules lol, but I would like to one day, and I bet a handful of people would love to get to play this.

-I realize I'm asking for a lot of additions. The candidate events I see for subtraction are 20, 25 and 30. Event 30 is FLHE. I'm not sure how people feel about this event these days, and if a lot of people would be upset if it were changed to a NL event or another game entirely.

-NLH Monday mornings isn't ideal (but I'm fine with it if need be). It seems like Mondays are a good candidate for days off and late starts for most of the Scoop players (NLHE MTT players) , so I think having a mixed game event Monday mornings causes minimum overlap for most players in terms of what schedule they're likely to play, and maximum attendance. Like if you have a NLHE event scheduled for Monday morning, that same event would draw more players later on Monday or the middle of Wednesday ( I think). Small point and difference either way.

-HS HU PLO is a great idea. Again, not playing! But saw it mentioned and agree with that post that 2015 may be the time to get that going. Seems like it would be great for the fans/rail/overall buzz with Scoop, as well as to encourage more nosebleed players to play Scoop, or more of Scoop than they were planning to play.

-I think the 4m is in a fine time slot, and has a fine structure. 4m plays very quickly anyways, so making it a turbo isn't necessary. Since it plays more quickly than 6m or FR, that somewhat mitigates the affect of a late-scheduled freezeout keeping one up too late on Saturday. Plus if you get deep, it's a good problem to have. Also, I just think the YOLO + extra coffee factor is enough to allow one to play play the final day of SCOOP well on low sleep. Granted I am in a favorable timezone for the schedule, and not Europe, so I can empathize with their concerns. However I think my YOLO point carries a lot of weight.

-Saturdays. I'm more okay with Saturdays than most, though I agree that a big 2 day NLHE event just makes tons of sense. And it seems like a pretty obvious play. I'm not sure what to think about what day the 20k HU should be, Stars, you guys would have a much better feel for that than me, so I'm inclined to trust your judgment in placing it on a Saturday. However it does seem like the 32 people that play it will find a way to play it any day of the week... So perhaps this is an inefficient use of that time slot. I also feel like event 20 is just out of place. It's not my cup of tea, so maybe that's the main issue. Anyone else think this event is an inefficient use of this marquee day/time slot?

-Finally, I realize that having some continuity in amount of events per day (3, with 3 buyin levels for each) has some inherent benefit, but I think adding some events on Sundays would have some merits. Specifically the Kickoff event both Sundays, and perhaps a big wrapup turbo on both or at least the final Sunday. (Wrap up turbos are there, just would hate to see them have to go in order for the Kickoff to be added. If I had to pick, I'd pick Kickoff, but it seems like there is the capacity/liquidity for both to be on the Sunday schedule).

Dam, sorry for the long read. Thanks for the time.

Hope stars rep will find time to read those kind of post closely and at least consider some ideas (Not every ideas, but at least some of them.) Schedule OBVIOUSLY need some changes and it would be a SHAME if it just stays like the first one posted.


-Less turbos
-No 3-Max crap please.
-Yes to phase mtt
-Don't bring the N stack yet, replace it with a good old full ring one please.
-Where's action hour tourney? Everyone loved that one, don't understand why you removed it???
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02-14-2015 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tacuara
It's supposed to be an improvement in schedule but i really don't see many changes but there aren't many diferences compared to last year (only speaking about NLH). Worst of that, the changes are bad. So:

- removed 500R AH, to add a 700$ turbo Ultra Deep and a 1k n-stack (it will be a failure, to much complicated to every players)

- replaced a 2,1k sko and a 2,1 psko by two 1k psko

So you remove a super deep tournament, we haven't no one like this in all year and add one more turbo and a tournament that the most of players don't know the rules

In Thursdays, we have a normal day. That's not supposed to be a SCOOP day? We already have a 1k psko every thursday, can we have two special thursdays?

+1 to Kickoff SCOOP Events
+1 to days of a specific format
+1 to less turbos
+1 to bigger Saturdays

- 1 to ante up (why you remove formats everyone loves and keep that one??)

You can do better than this. I think that's a big delusion schedule for the most players.

So right!!! Bring off the Ante Up wtf, seriously that just don't belong to SCOOP.
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02-14-2015 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ignorant0
for now will just point that we have 9/45 events ( 20% ! ) new turbos, while having 0/45 new regspeed fullring and only 5/45 events regular tournies in traditional timeslots ( 3x SM & 2x ST )

this means that all the turbos in the regular schedule still run, along with the scoop ones, while regspeeds get replaced, creating more of a tcoop feel for the series than a scoop.

other than that, agree with the trend here.

saturdays need more love, 2day event is a must, ftops had it since forever and its a great tourney, prestigious one. saturdays are the perfect slot for it.
good old standard NLH FR is really underrated this edition.
rebuys action hour was a good format, probably needed a little tweaking so we don`t play so deep after add-on but you don`t need to get rid of it.
you need to get at least a NLH standard rebuy and a standard KO/SKO in. maybe more 6max and cubeds as well.
we don`t really want ante-up. i dont understand how you can still have the ante`up but get rid of the rebuys.
3max is a no go. one 4-max is enough. shootout tournies are fine, 3 are enough, but the days are poorly chosen.

phase tournies could def be huge. stars.fr, winamax, ftp, they all run them successfully in their series. different number of day ones for different buyin levels sounds good as another poster suggested.

tuesdays / thursdays ( highroller days ) are really boring from the NLH grinder`s pov. we don`t get anything NEW to play, except a 100fo/pko. they can definetely grow.

year after year, you ask us what we think, we always have the same answer, nothing much happens really. year after year schedule becomes poorer, even if knowledge/experience should be bigger.

i agree that turbos and pskos are the most popular format at the moment (especially for recs), and also they are best for the poker economy in the longterm, but coincidentally they are also the most profitable for PS in terms of rake. that being said, this should still be the most prestigious series, and the best players should have the better chance at winning tourneys, so less gamble would be ideal.

personally i would get rid of all the turbos in the schedule, and make the 4th event each day starting 1-2h after event 3 of each day, a turbo. name it SCOOP Wrap-up Turbo Event #x, don`t make it a part of the leaderboard or give a bracelet for it. scoop should stay classy. this surely won`t happen this year but have it in mind for the next.


cliffs:
-saturdays need improvement, 2day NLH event would fit perfectly
-tuesdays/thursdays needs improvement
-phase tournies are a go
-3 max tournies are a no go
-shootouts are enough, maybe too many
-more good old traditional formats !!
-less / no turbos !!!!!


but i anticipate that you`re gonna get rid of some turbos and give us the 2day event ( which is already on the schedule somewhere, but you didn`t post it yet so you change something after the talks, so we can`t bitch about it anymore ) . around 0.1% of the great ideas from this kind of threads is actually considered @ isle of man and its a pity really.
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Originally Posted by Itsover9000!!
good post
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Originally Posted by numberonepat
Very good post. +1000

Very good post Ignorant0, Meant to quote the first one in the other message!!!
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02-14-2015 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by numberonepat
So right!!! Bring off the Ante Up wtf, seriously that just don't belong to SCOOP.
oh ya, ive been mentally as well as literally filtering out ante up for so long i forgot to add that would be a good place to create space for the 3max
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02-14-2015 , 06:53 PM
i think ante up is a nice different format btw, i know the wsop removed it this year but it was always one of the most fun events to play.
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02-14-2015 , 08:10 PM
I like the ante up, it's the only time of year my VPIP exceeds 10
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02-14-2015 , 09:03 PM
The schedule looks pretty good to me
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02-15-2015 , 12:01 PM
I like oursurveysays schedule improvements
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02-15-2015 , 02:40 PM
Hi Bryan,

This schedule is bad for people with jobs who want to play NLHE normal structure in the weekends. (starting fri night or saturday morning/midday UTC+01:00 for 2 day events). Especially on fri 22 and sat 23 the schedule is terrible, please consider moving the non NLHE games to weekdays / adding normal NLHE 9max on fri/sat.

I think more semi-pro players and recs feel this way about the schedule because we can't really play on sundays if the tournament is gonna take 2 days without a hassle.
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02-15-2015 , 04:01 PM
+1 for pads schedule

Sat really needs a nice overhaul.....and would smash all guarantees...
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02-15-2015 , 05:05 PM
PS reaching new lows. How can I believe they have a team discussing the schedule and their draft is ridiculously baaad. I mean I guy spend like half an hour in this thread and created something 5x better than the draft. This draft is bad for regs AND bad for recs. Why dont make all the mtts 3handed pkos with 2-minute levels
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02-15-2015 , 09:26 PM
hey, just wanted to say that removing Ante Up would be a horrible idea.

it's a great format and definitely deserves its slot on any big tournament series.
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02-15-2015 , 09:49 PM
+1 pads
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02-16-2015 , 03:48 AM
1) 3-Max - Yes
2) Phased - need more information on how you'd construct it.
3) Shootouts - 3 is enough don't add more.
4) FLO8 - 6max or 8max.... not 10max.

Turbo's - TCOOP over/
I see that the turbos are put in as the last event of the day. Make them the regular SCOOP levels but make them 2-day events.


Thanks for taking the time to listen to the player feedback.
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02-16-2015 , 04:34 AM
Bryan

We are constantly hammering you about Pokerstars killing rebuy tourneys and you constantly say that is nonsense.

Why on earth is no regspeed rebuy NLHE tourney on the second biggest online poker series? Only one cubed tourney and that's it? Surely there must be at least one and preferably two proper rebuy tourneys (5, 55, 530 or better yet 11, 109, 1050).
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02-16-2015 , 08:35 AM
I (kinda) understand being hesitant about trying to make Fridays/Saturdays bigger during regular weeks, as those nights aren’t really reserved for online poker for a lot of (recreational) players, but during series these evenings can and should be bigger. SCOOP in particular is more geared to regs anyway, and I’m sure you WILL get recs excited when there’s 6 digits and a SCOOP trophy up for grabs. I have a job myself and before every single xCOOP the only days I’m 100% sure I could play are Friday and Saturday; then I look at the schedule, it’s meeeeeh all around on these days and as a consequence I actually often just skip those days instead of having the big grinding session I was looking forward to. I’m sure there are a lot of recs who think exactly the same.

At the very least you should put 1 big vanilla NLHE event there and see how it performs, or have a big phased event with phase 1 on Fri/Sat and phase 2 on Sunday.

Less PSKO (I blame all the regs who begged for it in the MTT suggestion threads, claiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread); especially Sunday should be reserved for vanilla NLHE.

Agree with making the Sunday kick-off part of SCOOP.

I like closing some/most days with a decent turbo event but I don’t think they should replace other (regspeed) events.

Ante up is an interesting format to play from a mathematical POV but in the end it’s nothing more than a gimmick that doesn’t need to be part of SCOOP just for the sake of it.
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02-16-2015 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pablito_21
Less PSKO (I blame all the regs who begged for it in the MTT suggestion threads, claiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread); especially Sunday should be reserved for vanilla NLHE.
this was before the rake grab tho, when they were actually great tournaments for both regs and recs ( especially recs )

good post.
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02-16-2015 , 09:53 AM
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Hi Bryan,

This schedule is bad for people with jobs who want to play NLHE normal structure in the weekends. (starting fri night or saturday morning/midday UTC+01:00 for 2 day events). Especially on fri 22 and sat 23 the schedule is terrible, please consider moving the non NLHE games to weekdays / adding normal NLHE 9max on fri/sat.

I think more semi-pro players and recs feel this way about the schedule because we can't really play on sundays if the tournament is gonna take 2 days without a hassle.
Totally agree!

Actually what u mentioned is the main reason that I almost never have the chance to play the Sunday Majors (except the Kick-Off).
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02-16-2015 , 11:37 AM
Pads schedule is a big improvements from the original one, but like someone already said -1 to hi/lo day. And don't you dare to touch 5 card draw, so -1 to that one too.
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