lol. you must run real hot in turbos then

also, i'm talking about higher stakes turbos, like that 200 turbo and stuff...your edge in like the hot $33 is pretty damn high

but when you're playing against regs that know what they're doing (at least somewhat) your edge is minuscule

prolly both, but he is the most consistent mtt player of all time sooooooooo.

the numbers don't lie, shaniac runs hot in turbos, confirmed.

SS has tracked about 4,000 of each of mine. I'm sure it's not a valuable or reliable metric (and maybe the sample size is irrelevant too), but my "avg ROI" is 75% in the reg speed and 44% in turbos. (And I'd imagine the turbos took way less than 1/2 as long to run).

If you really think you are going to have an edge in a reg speed that is a multiple of your turbo ROI, then perhaps you are the one on drugs or, again, you might suck at turbos.

+1 to everything moorman said.

Also have the super tuesday in the scoop format during the series and 33/320/3150 on saturday for the love of god plzzzzzzzzz

aren't u the champ? make it happen man.

ya maybe i just suck at turbos, that's it

i would offer to cross book vs you, but i'd hate to go up against hte most consistent mtt player of all time

i think i'm starting to learn:


PokerStars Hand #77854324681: Tournament #537486254, $69+$6 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2012/03/26 15:23:16 ET
Table '537486254 40' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ruby321 (2640 in chips)
Seat 2: kabutze (3070 in chips)
Seat 3: Gags30 (3613 in chips)
Seat 4: pecatore (6135 in chips)
Seat 5: srxakgirona (4640 in chips)
Seat 6: BublFactor17 (5752 in chips)
Seat 7: noel.moore (2235 in chips)
Seat 8: clutching100 (2720 in chips)
Seat 9: pitaoufmg (2880 in chips)
ruby321: posts the ante 25
kabutze: posts the ante 25
Gags30: posts the ante 25
pecatore: posts the ante 25
srxakgirona: posts the ante 25
BublFactor17: posts the ante 25
noel.moore: posts the ante 25
clutching100: posts the ante 25
pitaoufmg: posts the ante 25
pecatore: posts small blind 100
srxakgirona: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gags30 [4s 4c]
BublFactor17: folds
noel.moore: folds
clutching100: folds
pitaoufmg: folds
ruby321: folds
kabutze: folds
Gags30: raises 3388 to 3588 and is all-in
pecatore: folds
srxakgirona: calls 3388
*** FLOP *** [8h 3c Jh]
*** TURN *** [8h 3c Jh] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [8h 3c Jh 4d] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
srxakgirona: shows [Ks Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
Gags30: shows [4s 4c] (three of a kind, Fours)
Gags30 collected 7501 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7501 | Rake 0
Board [8h 3c Jh 4d Ah]
Seat 1: ruby321 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: kabutze folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Gags30 (button) showed [4s 4c] and won (7501) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 4: pecatore (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: srxakgirona (big blind) showed [Ks Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: BublFactor17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: noel.moore folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: clutching100 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pitaoufmg folded before Flop (didn't bet)

i'm done derailing this thread, btw...let's talk more about scoop

I don't want to xbook you, I am really nothing special and for that reason if I can achieve a reasonable ROI in turbos, you should be able too as well (unless you suck at turbos).

Anyway, as much as I fail to see your side, I still like you and agree to stop derailing thread.

understandable

hopefully you can win a regular speed scoop, and i can win a turbo scoop

plo knockout im sure it was on last year

Doesn't matter what the schedule is if your lag makes the software unplayable

But being lag gets u respect!

Wow really enjoyed SCOOP last year didn't have all that much success few coolers and played a few bad but still really enjoyed playing the events good buy ins and a good range of events. However looking at this years schedule i don't mean to be rude but there is a lot to be questioned and hopefully answered.
1. Smallest Buy-ins - As a whole these are crazily sized! SCOOP 2011 if i remember rightly the lowest buy ins were mainly $22 and had a few $11's and $33's this was great as you then reach the people who are recreational players or that play regularly and profit but need to withdraw often to pay bills so dont play off huge bankrolls. This year its pretty much $27 as the cheapest buy in for a freezout.
2. 4 max - i enjoy playing 4 max's really good fun however $55 for the lowest buy in is ridiculous especially as in your normal daily schedule the highest buy in is $4.40.... then for the high buy in to be $5.2k wow!?!?
3. HU's on 20th - Love a HU shootout tourney but $215 minimum? and the maximum as $21k are you serious? thats more than double the size of the WSOP ME.
4. NLHE 1R1A - for the PLO 1R1A it is an $11 buy in for the lowest which is great you set to pay $31 maximum which is about right for a rebuy with a good structure for a low buy in. For the NLHE itys $27 so your in for roughly $77 thats a lot to pay for a low buy in especially as there is only one 1R1A tournament suring the whole schedule.
6. Turbo's - Really dont understand why we even have 1 turbo in the whole schedule we just had the TCOOP? so why dont we have a DCOOP for deepstacks if this is the case?
5. 2 or 3 Day Events - I agree that some of the bigger GT's should be over 2 days as they may take an age to complete and people do have work not everyone plays for a living. Also there should be a deeper stacked 3 buy in event that is over the course of 2/3 days i feel.
6. May 13th - Everyday has a mix of games and buy ins so how come this day has duplicated the tournaments just at different times, surely there could be something different for the later or earlier tournaments?
7. Satellites - I know when i say about the sizing of the buy ins you will say there will be satellites but this still takes time i agree some events should be more than others but maybe some could have a drop in price.

yeah im with gags i mean turbos are cool im gunna play them regardless and what not lord knows u have to learn to like them with stars current schedule. Im a breakeven/small winner player in stars high buyin turbos and am a large winner in there non turbos...nobodys a big winner in high stakes turbos on stars lol


we already play a ton of turbos like 340 days a year thanks to stars new post black friday schedule. how about a couple 2 week stretches (scoop/wcoop) where they surprise the **** out of high stakes regs and include some turtle like slow structures that make me proud to call myself something besides a pushbot for once.

Less turbos please. I haven't played on Stars in a year so I'm sure there have been a lot of changes for the better I don't know about or understand, but I always looked forward to WCOOP and SCOOP b/c of the great structures and looking forward to long days of grinding. The buy ins are just too big in a lot of these to justify playing them. I'm kinda with Shaniac. I mean didn't ya'll just have a TCOOP? Just run 2 TCOOP's a year like you have SCOOP/WCOOP, and you'll have a big series for each season of the year!

Less turbos, huh? LESS THAN FOUR?

Enough with the turbo "discussion" it's beyond absurd.

Couldnt there be 4 levels of buy ins great for every player and stars would make more rake!

something like either of these:

$11, $33, $215, $2100

or

$22, $55, $550, $5200

Agree with supersonic on final day

The few turbos that are there are awesome, keep them please

Agree that Hu tourney can be moved to another day, saturday would be good

Make 1 of the Daily $215 turbos HOT, please.

not to keep harping on it but im counting 6 turbo events, not 4 so whoever said that can't count. I think 1k 2x turbo is absurd... like really absurd, make it a regular 1k rebuy. The rest of them im indifferent about.

okay, it appears i can't count either... just ignore me.

there are already plenty of turbo's in the daily schedule (that will be huge during SCOOP)

it's not that i do not like turbo's, it's just for this series i do not want more turbo's where i could of had other tournaments we do not get every day all year round.

in particular i was concerned to see tuesday scoops "$2k super knockout turbo" in the time slot where the super tuesday currently starts...more than implying this would run in place of the super tuesday. this mtt in particular is really the pinnacle of our weekly highstakes schedule. it has the biggest buyin and a great structure. seems incredibly wrong to make it turbo for a tournament series like SCOOP

i could be wrong, both tournaments may run at the same time alongside each other, but in any case i'm not sure that it is completely healthy to run a $1k alongside a $2k in the same timeslot.

jfc stfu about the turbos already, its fine

14:00 ET - Event 14-L: $55 FL Omaha Hi/Lo
14:00 ET - Event 14-M: $530 FL Omaha Hi/Lo
14:00 ET - Event 14-H: $5,200 FL Omaha Hi/Lo

14:00 ET - Event 30-L: $7.50 [1] PL Omaha Hi/Lo
14:00 ET - Event 30-M: $82 [3] PL Omaha Hi/Lo
14:00 ET - Event 30-H: $700 [5] PL Omaha Hi/Lo

17:00 ET - Event 33-L: $27 [2] NL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Minute Levels]
17:00 ET - Event 33-M: $215 [4] NL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Minute Levels]
17:00 ET - Event 33-H: $2,100 [6] NL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Minute Levels]

It's almost as if pokerstars thought of the worst pososible schedule for O8. I guarantee 99% of O8 regs hate it.

please make changes.

1. The FLO8 buyins are too high. consider $27 low $215 med and $2100 high.

2. Why are you making the nlo8 scoop a turbo?? nlo8 is very popular now and i a sure no nlo8 player wants 10 minute levels. Please please make it regular speed. We already had tcoop.

3. This is the most mindboggling one. What is the thinking behind the plo8 buyins? Make the buyns like regular scoop i.e 27/215/2100

4. Why did you put in a plo 6 max the same as the weekly 530 but no similar plo8 6 max?. An event like this would prolly be a big favourate in the O8 community.