It's not an earth shattering revelation or anything, but I thought it was pertinent enough to post. I'll let the pm'er reveal himself if he so chooses (fwiw, it's not someone I knew)

Since this tourney was towards the end of the wsop and was (I believe) in his wsop package, this casts some amount of doubt on the validity of all the action sold. I'm not sure if it's that damning since if he was truly trying to punt he'd probably find a less conspicuous way to do so, but I do find it relevant enough to post

well digging deeper to see/make sure %s are not oversold is something that should be done anyway but perhaps posting HHs will help, eitherway the problem is a lot of "well known pros" do all sorts of super spewy/"bad" stuff so dunno if it means that much unless he is known for being solid or something

Agreed, it's very far from a smoking gun piece of evidence or anything, just hearsay really. I do think rounding up everyone who had a piece of his wsop package and trying to figure out if the numbers add up would be prudent, however

I'll pm the guy back and see if he has any specific hhs

+1

the chances that this was the first time he tried something shady like this is very low. Could have easily done things like this on a smaller scale from time to time.

Returning to the subject of this thread, is there any news on Ben Warrington? I was kind of expecting some followup here, because he left many questions unanswered.

The ongoing silence doesn't look good.

u cant advertise other sites, sluggers

I've been reading about backing a long time and I gotta say I honestly think its a suckers game. It seems that almost all backers have been screwed by their horse at some point. Assuming you have a good deal and that the horse is a winning player, playing their best, there is still a non-zero chance that they steal/lie to you.

There's a non zero chance that anyone in your life steals from you. If you actually put in the effort to find players with good reputations/results than it can be a very profitable investment even if you get burned by a small % of the players in the long run.

Absolutely. Think about a bookie who has a lot of bad bettors. He's gonna get screwed by quite a few but still always be making $. Now obv that's not a perfect analogy but think it fits

What seems bad decision to me here is why he even played the event in the first place, presuming he didnt buy into it before degenning in the casino. What would be the right play in that situation is just not to play it, confess about what happened and pay people who invested in you for that event. A simple "i ****ed up with this event - here is your money back"is much better then losing on purpose and trying to cover it up, he loses the buy - ins and he has to pay money back to investors. Does this make sense or am i missing something? In this gambling business its very easy to slip, its all about how you handle it after, and he handled it very badly. Be a man, admit what you did and don't try to cover it up and lose reputation and double the money in process lol.

Not many poker people seem to care about scam attempts like this anymore. Even this Kidcardiff-character still seems to be highlighted as elite-pro video maker on one of the most well-known online poker training sites.

We had a similar situation that happened in the finnish poker community like 5 years ago and the scammer is also still a well-respected twoplustwo'r and a member of the poker community in general at least in the rest of the world. Although understandingly slightly less so in Finland itself. People let scammers to move on quite easily in their lives without too much notice it appears.

It all has become a global phenomenom expecially after the black friday happened. People even seem to make fun of and bring humour to a situation like that when discussing about it. On Joe Ingram's podcast they have discussed about such things a lot recently and players like Hastings, Weisner, Jungleman and many others are mainly just considered as colourful addition to the poker world despite their disrespectful and yet so harmful behaviour towards the members of our community.

Legends tend to deliver from time to time and Shaun Deeb is clearly one of them who have proven that idiom right over and over again throughout the ****ing amazing career of he has had so far.

bump cause this scumbag is playing the 10k WSOPE main somehow

does nobody give a ****? can everyone just freeroll on scamming attempts now?

yuuuup, he was here...

So Ben Warrington never came back here to answer the many outstanding questions regarding the scam. Its a shame; at first it looked like he was going to step up and address the situation.

I suppose it will just quietly fade into history ... probably the best plan available for Ben, but very disappointing.

prob sold 150% of the 10k but still playin his "A game"

I wouldn't trust that hh. They get it wrong a lot of the time, especilLy even more so with everything that has happened it would be so strange of him
To just punt it off.

i asked chewy about it. so the action and hands are correct. (I didnt ask about sizings etc)

also, i'd be somewhat surprised if some random german handreporter, i've never seen before, knew about this case (at the end of the day this is MTTc) and would therefore make up HH's to make BW look good.

and as for freerolling, I totally agree that this shouldnt be the case, but what can people really do about it? I guess outing him to everyone else at the table and avoiding any business with him

How does that hh make BW look good? Did I miss something? Seems like a brainless punt-off.

He must have meant bad, only thing that makes sense.

yea sorry. finger > brain. obv i mean BAD, idiotic, moronic, you decide

This matter (the overselling of venetian 5k main) is being dealt with internally, and i really dont have time/care for opinions of anything else who isnt involved, and ESPECIALLY for those who dont know me well.

People on this forum will continue to jump on bandwagons, attempt to dig up dirt about peoples past, and nitpick about comments, and now hands ive played. If you ask luckychewy (or stammdog the recognised pro on day 2 table)or anyone else at my table on day 1, macphee.. if he/they thought i was 'punting' to him during day 1 of the main event im sure he will tell you no, (think we were about 30bb or so effective, i have over 100bb and decided not to get it in here preflop with a10s in the cutoff vs his sb 3bet) and take an aggro line postflop... i will continue with my career in poker. Ive worked very hard over the years to improve my game, spent alot of time travelling to achieve that and I will continue to work hard to achieve success, whether or not some of the people on here are content with it.
People like Bparis and turo will continue to police the online forums which is absolutely fine, no issue im sure they feel heaps better about themselves and their lives.
If you want to get hold of me about any hand related questions feel free to PM and i will happily take the time to go into detail if somebody did have real concerns... thats all ill be writing in this thread.
Ben

Great post 10/10

lolwat