Hi guys!

Very early since i started to play the tournament so no reads

Frankly speaking was going to fold it pre just in the last moment made a raise.

How do you think it is played?

On the river i decided to make bet because i suspect that a villain may bluff if his draw didn't complete and i didn't want to pay high price to check this. In addition it may be a value bet if he will call with medium pocket pair

i like it up until the river, i probably prefer check/call here

I like check/raising flop here. BB is calling wide pre and when you raise the SB pre and check flop I find at these stakes BBs bets their whole range when you check to them. This is a flop where his range is mostly air so if you can get BB to fire w/ his whole range and the range is mostly air c/r is going to work a ton

hm interesting line..

Bet flop a tad more. 60% at least aa I'm guessing that your cbet looks weak to him. Im ok with the check call turn.

River: I dont like the donk bet. You have to fold now. I probably would've just check called a reasonable bet.

The other option would be to bet 40-35% pot folding to a raise ott. Its possible that you get a call from worse pairs and ace highs while protecting versus k j or A.

When we bf - He's always raising with better and we are often getting value from worse. Same otr.

1 - Flop sizing is fine, imo.
2 - Agree with check/call Turn.
3 - I'd have checked River (I hate the donk lead).
As played:
4 - Folding.

i see guys...thank you. so you would have check/called river if lets say villain bets 1/2-2/3 pot? isn't it pretty tough call?

To start with it i really don't mind folding PF with no reads on SB. Agree with most about river, c/r flop is an option but i wonder what the line is at the Turn suposing he is calling us....

Your fold at the river seems to me your best decission at this hand

I like folding pf 60bb deep oop.

Folding pre-flop.

yeh i'll prolly fold pre here aswell blinds are still small to be stealing with q9offsuit.

as played - c/f river like other have said above. and umm if villian bets small on the river giving u good pot odds then call. there's not many hands we beat though so nothing wrong with folding with a pair of 9s

So you'd fold pre because you "don't have a read on the BB" but check/raise the Flop? I don't get that one.

guys i agree that raising pre is very marginal
as for the rest i admit that check-calling river is maybe better but then thing is that i am not sure if i could fold if lets say he would bet 2/3 of the pot..
you say that you would call reasonable bet but what do you mean by reasonable? would you call 2/3 of the pot OTR?

If you are opening 36% hands or more from the SB, Q9o is in that range so you are playing pretty tight pre if you fold this 59bb deep

the thing is that i am not sure if it worth it to try to add 100 to stack 3000 with these cards. if there were ante involved at least i would definetly open with this hand

Then consider limping if you are afraid of the risk. Folding when a) you are a favourite - Q9o is 55% vs a random hand - and b) you are getting 3-1 odds is obviously a mistake

I just mean that the option of c/r as played is something to take into account.

You treat it as if it was a cash game or something... In my opinion - you get no value in playing Q9o oop that early. If you wanna be lag and **** just fold this hand and play atc on the button, you will win much more than playing that from a sb, position gives sooo much in this game and this hand is a prime example of it's importance.

Now if hero was in the bb and sb raised, flat with Q9o would be ok and probably worse and than it.

agree with the argument that raising SB with 60bb pre-ante is more fitt to cash-game

This has already kinda been covered in a thread I posted earlier where I played K3s in the SB 150bb deep

This is what apestyles had to say: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=53

Q9o actually has more equity vs a random hand than K3s so the same argument above can be translated to this spot IMO

the levels of nitti-ness bvb is killing me lately. try opening atc and im sure you'll improve

sorry, what does "atc" mean?

any two cardzz

yes, absolutely i rememeber that thread. in that thread for me it was very clear fold
it is not only about equity vs random hands but in general about tournament strategy. if it was a cash game then yes this argument can be applied but in the tournament pre-ante with that stack it doesn't worth it.
if ante was involved i would be more templted to raise
but ok, i think there are two camps on this issue we are unlikely to reach an agreement on this regard

If you are going to disagree with someone who plays HSMTTs, has written well regarded poker books, etc. you probably need a good reason. And if you're playing $10 MTTs you're probably in a position where you should be a bit more open to the idea that someone playing at his level's advice is probably more likely to be correct than your own assumptions

no offense btw. In that quoted thread it took me a few posts to realize how horrible my second barrel on the turn was. But being stuck in your ways is never good in poker when you're like you and me, still grinding the small tourneys. If we never consider that we may be totally wrong about something we felt strongly about, we'll never improve