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06-01-2010 , 09:19 AM

Texas Chuck

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no reads as still real early. I got my chips flopping a set against a guy who couldnt fold AK high.

Full Tilt Poker $16,000 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 6 players
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Hero (BB): t5800 M = 193.33
UTG: t2870 M = 95.67
MP: t3260 M = 108.67
CO: t3660 M = 122
BTN: t2830 M = 94.33
SB: t2730 M = 91

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K

2 folds, CO calls t20, BTN calls t20, SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t80) 9

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets t40, BTN calls t40, SB calls t40, Hero raises to t160, CO folds, BTN calls t120, SB calls t120

Turn: (t600) 5

(3 players)
SB bets t2550 all in, Hero folds?

This is a sigh fold with a guy behind, right?

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06-01-2010 , 10:07 AM

jchauvin

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im for sure not folding (9xdd overpair otherstuff picked up diamonds you have a good kicker)

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06-01-2010 , 10:08 AM

Dannykurttt

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NOT foldin

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06-01-2010 , 10:20 AM

Flo Reinhold

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never fold...I´m going broke 24/7 there

my std. line in situations like this is to lead three streets btw. ...

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06-01-2010 , 10:21 AM

furo

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yea fold, if the other guy aint calling its closer.

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06-01-2010 , 10:25 AM

davethedave2

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Originally Posted by furo

yea fold, if the other guy aint calling its closer.

Eh?

Never folding here. He takes this line with a load of worse 7's. Rarely got 99. Might have hit gin with 55 on turn or have A7 but why does he over shove.

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06-01-2010 , 10:28 AM

phos77

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Originally Posted by davethedave2

Eh?

Never folding here. He takes this line with a load of worse 7's. Rarely got 99. Might have hit gin with 55 on turn or have A7 but why does he over shove.

what about 86?

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06-01-2010 , 10:30 AM

davethedave2

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Originally Posted by phos77

what about 86?

True. I missed that. Still not folding. lol.

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06-01-2010 , 10:33 AM

greenrebellion

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Not folding, he almost never has a full house here since the overshove doesn't make much sense. We have a bunch of outs against 68 and there are plenty of worse 7's in his range.

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06-01-2010 , 10:34 AM

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davethedave2

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Originally Posted by phos77

what about 86?

ALright. Thought about this some more and you are right. 86 does seem a likely holding making a crying fold the right play.

Id prob struggle in game but I suck.

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06-01-2010 , 10:34 AM

#11

furo

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CO bet flop. SB takes a call/call line
straight got there and SB shoves.

SB does not have a 7 here with a call/call line that we beat too often
i'm not that worried about BTN but 68 is still a good % of his range just as 99.

we also have BDFD blockers with the Kd which he might semishovebluff with. so Kd9d or similar is not in his range as well.

dunno, just seems like a fold to me or i am leveling myself.

and the c/r has to be way larger chuck. 240-270 imo

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06-01-2010 , 10:35 AM

#12

Texas Chuck

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my hand seems somewhat face up though right?

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06-01-2010 , 10:36 AM

#13

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Snap call... He has the 9 and wanted to see if lower card would come on turn. Terrible play from him tho

Also, worth leading out on that flop, it disguises your trips and gets people to overplay their top pair 9 as they think " He wouldnt bet out 777" etc

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06-01-2010 , 10:37 AM

#14

Keeper1125

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Not sure wtf is going on in this thread, this guy has 86 a huge % of the time. Easy fold with another behind, OP your flop raise is too small.

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06-01-2010 , 10:38 AM

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davethedave2

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

my hand seems somewhat face up though right?

Yea I think so.

More I look at it more I htink I was wrong initially and readless it should be a fold.

Got to be a mistake to call 125bb 4x pot overshove

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06-01-2010 , 10:41 AM

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furo

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

my hand seems somewhat face up though right?

yea the small RR seems too valueish. make it bigger to have some semibluffs and 9x in your range.

the 2nd guy gets 5:1 on a call and has implied + position

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06-01-2010 , 10:43 AM

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Texas Chuck

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furo,

agreed -- i played this hand poorly otf

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06-01-2010 , 11:06 AM

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picknicker6

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

2 folds, CO calls t20, BTN calls t20, SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t80) 9

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets t40, BTN calls t40, SB calls t40, Hero raises to t160, CO folds, BTN calls t120, SB calls t120

Turn: (t600) 5

(3 players)
SB bets t2550 all in, Hero folds?

This is a sigh fold with a guy behind, right?

How many Chips you donated? Like nothing in comparison to your stack. So fold and tell yourself that you are the greatest player since Phil Hellmuth.

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06-01-2010 , 11:07 AM

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Texas Chuck

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How many Chips you donated? Like nothing in comparison to your stack. So fold and tell yourself that you are the greatest player since Phil Hellmuth.

lol I dont think this is any kind of hero fold. Just wanted to double check it wasnt too nitty.

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06-01-2010 , 11:14 AM

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jchauvin

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it fills me with blind rage that in ssmtt the "good" posters are going on about what an easy fold this is

its just absurd. its a 6max tournament is this your first one or something do you have any idea how hard people tool out, he shows up with so many f worse hands OH NO GUY BEHIND HIT THE CALL BUTTON TWICE IN A LIMPED POT dude he usually has like ace high wtf

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06-01-2010 , 11:18 AM

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Texas Chuck

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Originally Posted by jchauvin

not 6 max fyi--didnt see converter tooled out. we were 8 or 9 handed here

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06-01-2010 , 11:24 AM

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smaug8821

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Yuck, this is one of those hands that I probably don't fold at the time, but look back and it's gotta be a fold. He either has you beat, or has absolutely nothing, more often he has you beat imo.

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06-01-2010 , 11:26 AM

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greenrebellion

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

not 6 max fyi--didnt see converter tooled out. we were 8 or 9 handed here

Doesn't change much...early in a $24 tournament on FTP and we want to fold because he has to have 68 here? His value range is literally only 68 since the LARGE majority of the time, he's going to try to maximize value with his Full Houses.

And its kind of lol that we are talking about our hand being face up. Half the field probably can't even read their own hand and he's clearly an idiot given his overshove on the turn.

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06-01-2010 , 11:48 AM

#24

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I lead flop 100% here. There's not preflop aggressor in the hand so I expect it to get checked around alot. (Which is obv bad since we have a monster).

As played, I don't think I fold because random's in 26's are jaming 9x and worse 7x here still. GG if he has 86, we have redraws to those hands anyway.