Stars $9.90 360...early...no reads other than my being a donkey...what's the raiser have here?

Poker Stars $9.00+$0.90 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter

BB: t1580
UTG: t1490
UTG+1: t1590
UTG+2: t1500
MP1: t1470
MP2: t1390
CO: t1540
Hero (BTN): t1470
SB: t1470

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J J
1 fold
UTG+1 raises to t80
2 folds
MP2 calls t80
1 fold
Hero calls t80
2 folds

Flop: (t270) 3 4 7 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t215
MP2 folds
Hero raises to t580
UTG+1 raises to t1295
Hero raises to t1390 all in
UTG+1 calls t95

Turn: (t3050) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3050) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

74ss

raise pre

he should 3bet an utg+1 raise pre?

no.

seriously? No...maybe you can say fold flop but raise pre not good

raise pre

K5

wait arent you the player who says adjust your game w/ buyin levels and now and utg+1 raise in a 9.90 tourny is supposedly super strong?

raise that up pre

8cQc

deuces

um...didnt say he was strong necessarily...if I raise and he 4 bets I have to fold (which makes no sense if I play the flop this way anyway...lol)...I have position and my hand is concealed...

fwiw I mistakenly thought you were in the blinds when I said "raise pre"

im sorry i couldnt disagree more

you would rather fold a 347cc flop than raise JJ pre?

KQdd of course.

if I'm on my game I call pre...call his c bet and fold turn if he fires again..obviously not the case but can't see 3 betting pre with the button here

33 imo

and i'm on the "call pre" team.

Either is fine by me


I'd say he has nearly any PP (including sets), FD or TP

+ a random air hand about 5% of the time


Jacks are good against that range, though beat sometimes

FWIW, I think your pre-flop was correct and first flop raise was correct. Naturally when he comes back over and 3 bets the flop you puke.

If the guy's legit you know it's a fold and it's time to check out, but you see so much spewtardedness in the first dozen hands or so of these things that it's easy to talk yourself into thinking you are ahead. It's all so player dependent and you really have no idea what kind of player this is.

Right now, without seeing the results, I'm thinking you are behind, but could probably win a little more than 36% of the time, so I would probably push here as well since a push is really only a call in this case.

I don't like it, but prolly play it the same. It's either a case of you had a good hand but ran into a better hand, got your money in right but lost to a suck out, or you double. I can live with myself with any of those 3 outcomes.

I'm actually 3-betting pre and folding to shove also SSYNC. $280 then fold seriously. IF he flats I'm shoving any flop w/o A or K. A or K I'm c/folding flop.

As played no way I fold. Fist pump vs AQ, 5's, or 6's? till river at least.

Then berate him in chat box obv.

so WTF did he have?!?!?!?!

areaman you piece of chit...was that you??

74 diamonds for 4X UTG+1

gg me...lol

so...if we raise pre we fold out a hand we have huge equity against...as played we justified his play by paying him off...

gotta do a human sacrifice soon

Here's what's frustrating about this, the dmfk already raised BB*4 from UTG+1 w/ 74s. Spewtards like this won't fold to a reraise.

Q2 or 52 offsuit obv.

lol, no, but i see how it easily could be.

lets calm down, those spewtards are...me.

I'd like to see the re-raise pre sometimes, but just a smooth other times. Having position is one reason for the smooth. Also, Id be guessing he's holding K-K and wanted to assure no Ace on the flop before getting it all-in. Since you posted it, I'm going to figure it's something bizarre, so my new guess is 4's.