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01-26-2012 , 01:36 AM

itsthedriver

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Playing a $16.50 freezeout. Blinds are 30/60 and in the sb with QQ

3,850 sb
1,810 BB
2,080 UTG
6,115 Button

UTG limps in folded to the button who also limps in. Action is on you. What is the best line to take here?
Should you raise playing this hand oop post flop or limp in?

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01-26-2012 , 01:55 AM

HUHandEH

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275 pre/ you really need to charge a price to see the flop.

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01-26-2012 , 05:49 AM

jjpregler

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330 pre - 3 BBs standard raise + 2 BB for limpers + .5 BB for positional disadvantage.

On a close note, if I was less than 60 BBs my standard would be 2.5 BBs, so if I were just 200 less in my stack I would raise to 300, so either raise would be ok to me. I think I would judge it if this close to the way the table has been playing. If the lower raise was enough to win preflop or at least get heads up, then i would go with the lower raise.

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01-26-2012 , 09:32 AM

itsthedriver

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Originally Posted by jjpregler

Appreciate the response.

SB raised it to 300, BB folded, UTG flats, Button folds. Flop come A 10 4 rainbow.

C-bet in this spot oop? And if you do say C-bet what sizing are we talking about here? 40%, 50% of the pot?

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01-26-2012 , 02:20 PM

jjpregler

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This looks like a way behind or way ahead spot. It really depends. If the UTG is super standard and will check his air most of the time, check to him top see what he does. If he's likely or capable of betting just because you check this is a really tough spot. Sometimes the weakness sniffing players will fold if you bet and bet if check with his air. Therefore a bet gives you information, but not much in value except for hands like TX. While if you are ahead, he has at most 3 outs against you. I'm not much in betting for information, especially in MTTs.

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01-27-2012 , 04:49 AM

Pardyallthetime

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280 and go from there. not min raise, not 3x.

When deciding raise sizes with premiums in a limped pot, just account for every limper.

Ie, if there is 2 limpers are youre otb with AKo and the blinds are 50/100, I would make it somewhere in the 500 range given the tendencies of the limpers (ie, limp calling stations, passive tight, are you in position against them, are you out of position, etc etc)

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01-27-2012 , 05:52 AM

TheSadClown

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Originally Posted by Pardyallthetime

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01-27-2012 , 12:34 PM

itsthedriver

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Originally Posted by TheSadClown

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Thanks, appreciate the input.

What about if your sitting with around 15bbs with QQ on button and ML position shoves all in for just under 3bbs, the BB has about 20bbs and sb looking around 8-9bbs. Would you flat call in position to try and get one of the blinds to go for a squeeze play or tag along or do you re-shove given your stack size?

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01-27-2012 , 01:03 PM

Hermits_FTW

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On the last post I'd flat it; 3 bbs is nothing and he likely has an overcard, so it's not really profitable to isolate, you're hoping for another caller here I feel. If you have 1 overcard against you, you're better off having 2 if you understand my meaning for double the money(?), the pot odds are better for the amount you can win and you're not getting away from a better hand anyway so shortstacked (if SB or BB wake up with Ks or As)

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