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QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1

09-12-2023 , 01:03 PM
Hello,

I am quite confused how to play this hand, I would say call for set mine or maybe a small 4bet? Is folding an option here as well? Pretty confused.

Many thanks for any advice!

QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
09-21-2023 , 05:38 PM
4b GII? Only 2 hands that have you crushed.

You could call and most likely play it heads up with UTG all in, but you'll be guessing on flops with an A or K.

You could make an argument for a fold here but given UTG is short stacked UTG+1 could be doing this with a wider range to ISO raise, perhaps even pairs as low as 8's to get him heads up.

I would be hard pressed to fold this and would elect to call if anything, but 4b/GII seems like the best approach here.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
09-22-2023 , 01:42 PM
I think we are too deep to shove here at 63 bbs eff. I think we can have a non-allin 4 bet that looks very strong (you'd be surprised how many folds you get with it). Something like 18-20 bbs. If UTG +1 shoves, that range is probably JJ+/AK (with a ton of AK) in most games and we have a decision. (I would call given the predominance of AK here). But at low sakes, it may be an easy fold if UTG +1's range looks more like QQ+ (which is really KK+ given there is only 1 combo of QQ left).
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
09-23-2023 , 01:11 PM
The only thing I don't like about any size four bet here is the big stack is unable to reraise if utg shoves, whereas if you reopen the action he can. From oop I would rather limit the big stack's options. Plus, if you are live action, you get to see the utg +1 lose his **** if he tries to reraise after a utg shove and is told he can't do it.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
10-09-2023 , 06:10 PM
Easiest Flat Ever.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
10-16-2023 , 03:45 PM
I don't see how you can avoid a 4-bet with the intention of jamming most flops. You could even 4-bet jam now. Yes, he is going to have a lot of AA and KK, but that's poker. He will also show up with JJ from time to time, plenty of AK, and since this is said to be a low event, some other weird stuff as well.

Here's the question: would you get QQ in here in a cash game with 63 BB? If you had $126 in a 1/2 cash game, would you really not shove here? I would. And you should be even more willing to go for it here because of antes.

You are not going to see QQ+ that often in a tournament, where number of hands is artificially limited, and IMO you have to maximize the chances you get.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
10-17-2023 , 02:25 AM
I think 4-bet and get it in is fine. Given the short stack of UTG, UTG+1 could have an isolating range a bit wider than he might make a standard 3-bet for value from this position. And if you make a 4-bet and get 5-bet shoved on there's going to be enough AK (and maybe even JJ) in there you're getting the right price to call. Some percentage of the time I'd just play it as a 4-bet shove, even this deep, in part because getting flatted exposes you to A/K high flops, in part because sometimes villains will assume a shove this deep is AK only and still call you with JJ/TT.

Given the average stack depth here I'm assuming this is still in the re-entry period, so if it doesn't work out, try again.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
10-17-2023 , 11:53 AM
I'd call - if you 4b you fold out all better hands and he shoves a range you're behind to. Not really close at all imo.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
10-22-2023 , 08:02 AM
Normally I just call with QQ here. UTG+1 raising a UTG open is very strong. The problem is that UTG is likely always shoving so we are going 3-ways with QQ.

If UTG+1 has been raising a lot especially in EP like this I think I would shove to get it HU. The problem is that we don't win anything if UTG has KK+ and UTG+1 folds to our shove. Similalry, if UTG has AK and we lose. Whereas just calling preflop we may end up in a good spot vs TT/JJ.

Ultimately if we call it smacks of TT-QQ so OOP we likely aren't going to win that much more anyway.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
10-22-2023 , 04:35 PM
OP, can you elaborate on the buyin and type of event? I think that makes a big difference as to what ranges UTG and UTG+1 will have.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote
10-25-2023 , 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjjou812
The only thing I don't like about any size four bet here is the big stack is unable to reraise if utg shoves, whereas if you reopen the action he can. From oop I would rather limit the big stack's options. Plus, if you are live action, you get to see the utg +1 lose his **** if he tries to reraise after a utg shove and is told he can't do it.
That isn't true. If UTG shoves, it reopens a reraise for UTG+1.
QQ in BB pretty deep, facing open from UTG and standard 3bet from UTG+1 Quote

      
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