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QJ in a threeway pot. QJ in a threeway pot.

09-01-2020 , 05:04 PM
    PokerStars - 15/30 Ante 4 NL - Holdem - 8 players
    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    UTG+1: 1,621 (54 bb)
    MP: 1,161 (38.7 bb)
    MP+1: 326 (10.9 bb)
    CO: 3,498 (116.6 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 3,252 (108.4 bb)
    SB: 1,162 (38.7 bb)
    BB: 1,523 (50.8 bb)
    UTG: 957 (31.9 bb)

    8 players post ante of 4, SB posts 15, BB posts 30

    Pre Flop: (pot: 77) Hero has J Q
    UTG raises to 60, 2 folds, MP+1 raises to 90, fold, Hero calls 90, 2 folds, UTG calls 30

    Flop: (347, 3 players) J 2 9
    UTG bets 30, MP+1 calls 30, Hero raises to 270, UTG calls 240, MP+1 calls 202 and is all-in

    Turn: (1,119, 3 players) 6
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    River: (1,119, 3 players) 3
    UTG bets 593 and is all-in, Hero calls 593

    Results: 2,305 pot (0 rake)
    Final Board: J 2 9 6 3

    UTG shows 9 K: (One Pair, Nines)
    Main Pot: [1,043]: (Pre 35%, Flop 20%, Turn 12%)
    Side Pot: [1,262]: (Pre 56%, Flop 21%, Turn 12%)

    Hero shows J Q: (One Pair, Jacks)
    Main Pot: [1,043]: (Pre 36%, Flop 60%, Turn 69%)
    Side Pot: [1,262]: (Pre 44%, Flop 79%, Turn 88%)

    MP+1 shows 8 7: (High Card, Jack)
    Main Pot: [1,043]: (Pre 29%, Flop 20%, Turn 19%)

    Hero wins 2,305

    This hand confuses me a bit, i also think i should bet the turn to kick UTG out of the pot.
    How would you play this hand?
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    09-02-2020 , 06:09 AM
    Fold pre. As played shove turn bc villain only has half pot left
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    09-02-2020 , 06:15 AM
    Yeah we can easily fold pre, but once we got TP I’m not going away
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    09-02-2020 , 10:46 AM
    I don't actually understand why i should fold it pre. I mean my pot odds here are 28%, and I assume that MP+1 has a pretty wide range here, because of this size of the 3bet.
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    09-02-2020 , 10:55 AM
    Because QJo is dominated by UTG opening range and doesn’t perform well in a MW pot either. Plus, if you flat you don’t close the action so someone on the blinds might be enticed to flat or squeeze, and UTG still has to act so he might reraise (he can see weakness in MP+1’s 3bet as you did) and you waste chips without even seeing a flop
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    09-02-2020 , 10:55 AM
    His min 3-b include tons of hands that dominate you, he has a very small stack, there's still one player left to act and it's a shitty hand. There's no reason not to fold.
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    09-02-2020 , 11:17 AM
    Well I concur with everybody else about folding PF, because there are two raises. With bad sizing in both cases but still two raises. So folding is the logical option, no doubt.

    Let's explore other options though. Given the stacks, an option could be to go all-in PF. Sounds crazy ? It depends on history with these players. Well, it seems these players are prone to raise with K9o from UTG on an 8-handed table ! And are not folding their second pair kicker K. So maybe it is not the best option, but it depends on our read because we can't go broke on an all-in, the other big stack having folded his hand. And because of the min-raise I guess they are shy players, so an over-the-top all in could have a lot of fold equity. But I wouldn't go for it myself.

    So could we jam on the turn then ? Well, like Panny1 wrote villain has not much left so yes, it is time to shove because of all I have written above : fishy player who is committed and won't let go second pair. And I think that, even if the logic dictates to fold, these players play illogically so calling being as deep as hero is , is a viable option, and I would have called myself in order to get a good flop and put my opponent(s) all-in.
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    09-02-2020 , 03:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Joey Fiuza
    It depends on history with these players. Well, it seems these players are prone to raise with K9o from UTG on an 8-handed table !
    This is actually what i was thinking. Those players actually open from UTG insanely wide, plus my stack was big enough to risk here. Looking at this hand again I would totally jam before UTG could do it, and ofc fold this hand pre if it wasn't 0.25$ SnG.
    Also I didn't really expect a squeeze from that player. That table was pretty passive.
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    09-03-2020 , 05:40 AM
    Sorry guys, but that's just not a hand you want to gii with in that spot. Just because both showed up with the hands they have here doesn't make it better.
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