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10-10-2012 , 06:06 AM
Hi,

Villain 19/14. Really interesting spot on the river. Maybe I should have just called here assuming that in most cases he has 2nd pair/worse or unfinished draw (unlikely) and wouldn't call my all in with that.

PokerStars - $100+$9|150/300 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: 7,722.00
UTG+1: 11,503.00
MP: 16,123.00
MP+1: 11,807.00
LP: 23,626.00
CO: 6,640.00
BTN: 9,282.00
SB: 4,313.00
Hero (BB): 12,324.00

UTG posts ante 40.00, UTG+1 posts ante 40.00, MP posts ante 40.00, MP+1 posts ante 40.00, LP posts ante 40.00, CO posts ante 40.00, BTN posts ante 40.00, SB posts ante 40.00, Hero posts ante 40.00, SB posts SB 150.00, Hero posts BB 300.00

Pre Flop: (810.00) Hero has 5 7

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 675.00, fold, CO calls 675.00, fold, fold, Hero calls 375.00

Flop: (2535.00, 3 players) Q 5 J
Hero checks, MP+1 checks, CO checks

Turn: (2535.00, 3 players) 2
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 1,394.00, CO calls 1,394.00, Hero calls 1,394.00

River: (6717.00, 3 players) 5
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 4,433.00, fold, Hero raises to 10,215.00 and is all-in, MP+1 calls 5,265.00 and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows 5 7 (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 52%, Flop 93%, Turn 18%)
MP+1 shows 2 2 (Full House, Twos full of Fives) (Pre 48%, Flop 7%, Turn 82%)
MP+1 wins 26,113.00
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10-10-2012 , 06:12 AM
I think u would raise any two pair OTT against villain's bet on this drawy board. So even when he has QJ he's never folding. I doubt he folds AQ or even an overpair (but ima noob so w/e)
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Fold pre.
Fold turn.
River is punishment for what being said above
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10-10-2012 , 06:21 AM
PRF pot odds 5.76:1. With villain prf raise range and flatcaller range I've got 2,8:1. So do you really think that it's the right choice to fold here?
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10-10-2012 , 06:25 AM
I used to play those hands in the same situation all day long but they brought too much trouble + CO only has ~20bb. I think we're not deep enough to play this OOP.
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10-10-2012 , 07:44 AM
would play it the same
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10-10-2012 , 11:19 AM
seems fantastic if you ask me.

You can lead turn after MP1 gives up on the wet flop and expect to take it down there a good %.

Guessing MP1 has 22 or A5 as the only hand that makes sense.
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10-10-2012 , 11:39 AM
sures lead turn
call river (havent watched results, but raising is def spew when he bets river big 3way after that action pre)
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10-10-2012 , 12:16 PM
lead flop


and wtfffff plz lead turn

river is nice^^
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10-10-2012 , 07:06 PM
Nice hand, folding pre is ridiculous.
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10-10-2012 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinGuthOBV
lead flop


and wtfffff plz lead turn

river is nice^^
why the hell lead flop? we only get in ****ed up spots when we get called (what do we do if we don't hit the turn? b/f?) or raised (don't expect to get it in vs villains range with >43%)

i prefer ch/r ship turn or ch/c and try to keep the pot multiway
as played call river vs good players imo
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10-10-2012 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by federigol
why the hell lead flop? we only get in ****ed up spots when we get called (what do we do if we don't hit the turn? b/f?) or raised (don't expect to get it in vs villains range with >43%)

i prefer ch/r ship turn or ch/c and try to keep the pot multiway
as played call river vs good players imo
c/r sheep ott?
Good players more often bet air 3way close to PSB oop?

At least you can use stove....
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10-10-2012 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride
c/r sheep ott?
Good players more often bet air 3way close to PSB oop?

At least you can use stove....

PSB=potsizebet?
btw didn't use stove for thatone, was just an estimation

I'd expect villain to have a b/f-range OTF, hands like AT,AJ,KT,KJ,FDs f. ex.
if we ch/r the flop, we obv get enough equity to call an all-in OTF and if villain only calls our raise, i dont see another option but shove OTT even if it's against a pretty strong range

would be nice if u could explain why u hate that play
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10-11-2012 , 04:42 AM
fold or squeez preflop
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10-11-2012 , 04:22 PM
gotta say i somehow love river, but i don't think he would bluff that big, so its still a big spew

as said, i think you should 3bet here almost always, and lead flop, not too big though
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10-11-2012 , 07:46 PM
I like flat pre, check flop, lead turn, bet river.
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10-12-2012 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ImSry4u
fold or squeez preflop
Yeah, totally agree with squeezing here as an option. Just played this time slightly different.
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10-12-2012 , 08:21 PM
I lik small lead on the flop to open up a bluff raise or value raise so you can 4b gii...its sort of transparant but your hand is so strong. When put up against his (value raise gii + value raise/fold + bluff raise/fold) you have a lot of equity. Once you see a turn you lose a lot of that equity imo
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