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04-27-2020 , 05:41 AM

Tovenaar

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 9

PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 40 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BB: 6,737 (16.8 bb)
UTG: 7,852 (19.6 bb)
UTG+1: 6,495 (16.2 bb)
Hero (MP): 11,191 (28 bb)
MP+1: 18,883 (47.2 bb)
MP+2: 21,905 (54.8 bb)
CO: 3,673 (9.2 bb)
BTN: 29,696 (74.2 bb)
SB: 31,534 (78.8 bb)

9 players post ante of 40, SB posts 200, BB posts 400

Pre Flop: (pot: 960) Hero has T

2 folds, Hero raises to 1,000, MP+1 raises to 2,875, 4 folds, BB calls 2,475, Hero calls 1,875

Flop: (9,185, 3 players) J

BB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 bets 2,900, fold, Hero raises to 8,276 and is all-in

Questions:
1: ok to open this pre?
2: calling the 3bet ok?
3: flop c/rr ai ok?

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04-27-2020 , 05:53 AM

Im Nacho Friend

adept

Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 765

Fold pre, you're way too short to go nuts with SC's. Fold to the 3bet, you're OOP and at a range disadvantage.

On the flop I would also probably c/f. However if you were holding T9c this is would be an excellent spot to go for a c/jam.

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04-27-2020 , 06:09 AM

Theagent77

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 647

Fold pre, but once we get re-raised we have too good pot odds not to see a flop (4:1, 20%). Fold after villain bets. As nachofriend pointed out, if you had T9cc you might consider jamming, although I would probably donk-jam since we have 1:1 SPR and I want to maximise fold equity; not really happy about people putting money into the pot before my jam because they will likely call since they might think they're committed.

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04-27-2020 , 11:44 AM

Tovenaar

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 9

why fold pre? Handcharts say T9s is good hand for RFI, even utg

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04-27-2020 , 12:13 PM

Captain-Hindsight

adept

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,114

yeah I would think top tier players would advocate for opening this (probably not for 2.5bb). If you're not comfortable navigating it post flop, might be better to just fold

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04-27-2020 , 12:51 PM

iFoldedKKPreOnce

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 123

Fold Pre.

If that shortstack wasn't there I'd probably raise to 8-900.

After the 3B its a fold for me. After the BB call, i probably just sigh call and check fold most boards.

Folding Flop unless 9s10s where I probably donk shove.

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04-27-2020 , 01:32 PM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,444

I think the open raise is fine off 28bb but fold to the 3b. You don't want to be playing hands like this OOP off that stack size.

The flop x/r is just a total spew. You have nothing but a backdoor straight draw if the shove gets called. You want to make sure you have reasonable equity to make this move as a semi-bluff, otherwise it's just a stone cold bluff.

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04-27-2020 , 03:14 PM

Tovenaar

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 9

I posted it cos I hadn´t a good feeling about it.
I still think pre is ok to open. The shortstack is in push-fold mode so when I open he has to have a good hand.
Of course I wasn´t happy to get a 3bet and folding is better then calling because my stack is too small. I think I have to have at least 50bb to call.
On the flop I just decided to gamble on a not so dangerous board but as said open jam is probably better.

As a side note the outcome was

everyone folded to my jam

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04-27-2020 , 08:28 PM

killer_kill

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 28,608

The open isn't..."Bad" it's just not ideal. The issue is you have to fold to 3b's and you don't really wanna call the 9bb shove but you basically will have to and 16 blinds can easily rip on you too. Do you have any reads?

The flop needs to just be surrendered multiway. You don't have range advantage, 0 blockers and a gutshot with 0 overcards. You wanna do this when you can turn ANY kind of backdoor equity or have an overcard atleast. I mean you're literally drawing to at most 4 versus a calling range. Having a single overcard nearly doubles those outs.

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04-29-2020 , 07:22 PM

#10

herbalerv

adept

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 858

Pre is all good , would also call 3bet with the bb in there.
flop is really bad, remember he is cbetting into two players and even if he weren't this just really bad, fold and move on

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05-01-2020 , 08:15 PM

#11

killer_kill

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 28,608

The reason to fold is we have to fold so often on flops like this and can't really continue often vs their 3b range. Calling 9Ts is fine in a cash game or different situations than this.

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05-02-2020 , 11:32 AM

#12

takeitAll

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 150

I think the same, that open PF its ok, but then fold on 3bet.

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