The Saturday Micro has VLT now, changes from 8 to 10 minutes after Level 7. Should be possible for Bigs, too.

Edit: Lots of the other Saturday stuff as well.

@ Luke: The Mini Saturday KO has a Gtd. error, says 50K and 10K.

Re - the non nlhe offering

For starters, the 55 saturday PLO, 55 saturday plo8, 82 weekly PLO, 82 weekly PLO8 and 82 weekly NLO8 all had decent numbers, 100+ players. I think you should find a place for those during the weekend, even if theyre not red or blue. I do agree that the 215 weekly versions were withered and it was just the same 30-40 regs + couple random punters

The mixed games changes are an absolute disgrace!

R.I.P. $530 high stakes PL
R.I.P. $215 Weekly FL,PL,NL
R.I.P. $82 Weekly Fl,PL,NL
R.I.P. Saturday $55 PLO8
R.I.P. Afternoon $82 NLO8 Hyper
R.I.P. Nightly $55 NLO8 Hypers (2x)
R.I.P. Daily FLO8
R.I.P. (almost) ALL Afternoon/Nightly Mid Stakes

What were you thinking? Have you actually consulted anyone playing those games?
Your mixed game schedule is completely broken. I advice you to revert back to the old one and then go from there with the help of the community.


(I only listed O8 here, but the same can be said for PLO & all other Limit Mixed Games)

Cant see any 2$ 2x 3$ 2x 5$ 2x, can you please add those to the new sched`?
Only can find 7,5 3x 2,2 3x .... which are not playable due to the new rake, would have loved to see a better structure in those.

I think we need flagship tournaments like Sunday million for all game formats if we want to make those other games more popular. We love poker - not just Holdem. We love cards, the game of cards, all different forms of poker. We need much more diversity.

100K guarantee to PLO, PLO8, NLO8 - does it sound good? HELL YEAH!
50K guarantee to draw and stud games - does it sound good? OFC HELL YEAH!

Rebuys, Re-Entrys...whatever...we need those big tournaments if we want to attract people to play these different games.

PS. Those new payout structures...oh my ... poo...wtf? Please just dont do it.

1) You are correct, new players won't hop straight into a $215. New players like freerolls and promotions. So why have you removed the Astronomer freerolls? Why don't you offer mixed games Spin & Go's? You have to start somewhere introducing those games to new players.

2) Why have you over many years ignored to move the $215 Weekly's into prime time? They simply started to early (PL/NL) or too late (FL)

3) Why didn't you offer a wider range of satellites (like eg the Wednesday $530 had)?

4) The higher the stakes the less players, quite naturally really. And even if it was just 20-50 that's still like a 150-400 entrants $22 game.

americas cardroom (winner) has plo spins, but only 2$

The structure is very poor in Bigs at least..Please take into consideration to change it as soon as possible..10 min levels minimum..As it is right now alot of players will migrate towards sites like Party that have mtts with significant better structure

Guarantees and structures aside [I think it's pointless until we've played in them] for a recreational Sunday player there is a massive improvement in the new schedule. Think I'll easily add another 6 MTTs.

WP Luke et al

Shame I can't get to play for another few weeks at least.

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Plz change back the payouts ore atleast give us a reason why you just ignore 100 posts about it Luke, To just dont answer give me bagdad bob vibes.

More I look at it, it strengthens my belief that these structure changes are rake driven approach. We need to bust faster so we can register more tournaments.

Overall, I do think tournaments need to be shortened some amount. I've made the conversion from professional to recreational player and my single biggest consideration of if I play a tournament or not is its length. If I am going to play 4-5 hours, not make the money, and be exhausted for work, I'm not interested. I acknowledge that this doesn't apply to our biggest weekly tournaments, but I think we need to draw a fine line in the daily schedule.

You have here access to regular poker player at Pokerstars. Why not ask for our opinion? I've been a regular lurker on these MTT discussion threads for at least four years and rough guess; for every one reply that has complained about the time tournaments take there is ten replies for better structures (T500 anybody?). And remember, all tournaments have fewer people now. Is this really the time to shorten them?

5K chip stacks, Minis, overlapping Bigs/Hots/Bounty Builders during peak, more pink satellites, and numerous others were all suggestions from players here and have been featured in the new schedule.

When players ask for 5k stacks, they are asking for 5k stacks at 10/20. I would guess participants in this thread have high IQ on average. Do not insult our intelligence by putting you on a high horse with stuff like that. The 25k starting stack in the Thursday thrill is laughable really.

The Hotter/Bigger versions have been removed, but the guarantees are all the same. I don't think those tournaments need any more highlighting on Sunday. All of the focus is on the majors.

I really question your integrity. The Sunday bigs had the best structures and that's the reason you cannot name the bigger anymore. I guess all these new tournaments require that we bust more quickly because the vast majority can't 25 table effectively when edges are getting thinner. OK, I get that but be honest with us. Don't tell us that there are more regular speed tournaments and less turbos when you're changing the structure of reg speed tournaments.

Don't get me wrong; I would've loved your changes if the structures were right but if this schedule require ALL tournaments being worse off then nobody wins except other sites. 90% of my schedule consist of non-turbo tournaments and I play 85% of my tournaments on Pokerstars. Well done Luke, I will lower that percentage (125.000 VPPS last year, 99.9% MTTS). I'm trying to lower my variance, not increasing it.

If it aint broke, dont fix it.

I can understand implementing small changes here and there, seeing how they are received and adjusting according to feedback.
The new structures of Bigs make them UNPLAYABLE.
If people complain about the length of Bigs, they should play mtsngs or Hots.

Its almost like you are conducting an experiment to see how quickly you can destroy poker. Gonna be hard to argue its a skill game after your next round of "changes."

Other poker sites arent trying to reinvent the wheel, and theyll probably buy up the pokerstars skin in a few years, but itll be worth even less than fulltilt.

It would be nice to see a comparison of negative feedback from players preAmaya to nowadays. Probably only used to be emails about how the RNG was rigged...Will be fun for team pros at live events, gl explaining how this is all good for poker.

what a shame

wtf are you doing with the bigs structure....

To me this looks like you are trying to kill pokerstars with every decision you take...

While I agree the bigs structure is bad for people who reach top 18+, its about on par with the old structure until the money bubble. I am sure Luke will see reason after a week or 2 TOPS when some of the bigs final table have 12-15bb average stack.

Personally I think it should be 7/8/9 mins every 12 levels for the micro buyins, 8/10/12 mins every 15 levels for all the big 8.8 and above.

Excuse my ignorance, but why do you suggest faster level structure for the micro buyins?

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Because people spew there a lot and generally the average stack is more blinds.

My $0.02 on this:

- This new MTT schedule is great. Love that.
- As a MTT grinder, I prefer to have slower levels. But not everyone is a grinder, recreational players want to gamble, so I'm ok with this structure.
- What is ridiculous is the fact that they still rake the same. 10% is just insane. I have never understand why every poker site rake that much. What's next? 7% on high variance formats like spins? rake per each rebuy on rebuy MTTs? Oh wait, they're already doing that. I understand is a business, but it's bleeding out the players. How come Amaya made on every MTT the same as top 3.

Add more reg speed freezouts (u've removed all $8, $11, $13.5 fo). There is more turbos and less reg. speed fo's now which suck.

Get those 'big' structures back to how it was. Ppl who need to finish their tournaments quickly can play the hots - that is the whole point of hots!

I've just done some comparing...

Luke, when people have asked for a 5k starting stack they have essentially asked for a better structure. We have not done so cause we just love the fancy number 5.000 flimmering on our screens once the table pops up.

I love how the structure now is a little better early in the tournament. I've compared structures. Below numbers are how many BBs a starting stack is worth. Difference in starting stacks is already factored in here. All time indications are in hourse (+/- 5 mins, rounded to nearest level) of net play (excluding breaks). All is done for the big109, which has the longest leveltimes of the new bigs. lower BIs are obv quicker by a lot, the trend is the same but things change quicker. Allthough I have tried hard to avoid mistakes I'm pretty tiered and can't guarantee there are none

after 1 hour: 37,5 vs 50 --> play is deeper
after 2 hours: 10 vs 20 --> play is way deeper
after 3 hours: 3 vs 5 --> still a lot deeper (This is the BB 1k level in both structures, it used to be bubble level most of the time iirc --> if I'm not completely off, bubble will burst later with the new structue)
after 4 hours: 1,25 vs 1,67 --> still deeper
after 5 hours: 0,54 vs 0,5 --> trend gets reveresed --> sturcture becomes a lot quicker here in the 5th hour of play
after 6 hours: 0,25 vs 0,16 --> structure speeds up
after 7 hours: 0,1 vs 0,04 --> structure again a lot quicker
in the old structure, the 0,04 ratio was hit after 8 hours of net play.

this shows that relative blind increase that used to take three hours (6th, 7th and 8th hour) will now happen in just the 6th and the 7th hour alone, thus speeding up the structe be a whopping 1,5 times when it really matters.

Tonights b109 had 17 (of 853) players left after 5h of net play (@BB 5,6k) - drasticly speeding up the the game in this most important stage.
The tournament finished @BB35k. Assuming the amount of BBs in play will be the same with the new structure in the end of the tournament this would mean the Tourny will end roughly 45 minutes earlier, thus condensing ITM play from roughly 4 to considarably less than 3 hours. This needs to be fixed!

At least for the "slowest" new big structure, this doesn't make sense to me. If I'm not completely off it will take longer to reach the money now (my guess would be half an hour. Old bigs are usually hand for hand right after the break 3 hours in, my guess would be the new ones will go hand by hand about 30-40 minutes into the fourth hour of play (in those with 9 minutes levels). ITM play will then however be way faster, as the overall tournament will end sooner allthough i took longer to get ITM. My guess would be for makeing a final table in those big tournys most recreationals whould happily trade in beeing exhausted the next day. I don't think though they will be happy if - when it really matters - those flagship tournys are a pure shovefest.


If tournaments really have to be shortend by some amount (I don't agree for bigger BI not HOTs, whoever wants quick structures should play the available turbos/hypers), please please don't do it at cost of the structure and playability at the final 2 tables...

I do think though that lower BI massfields (2k+ runners) shouldn't take forever to complete. Eighter put in some more levels deep and keep the actual quick level times or make them VLT - I also don't really understand you're argument towards not having VLT for bigs of wanting them to be better differentiated from bountybuilders - those two types of tournys have a whole different ante structure (huge difference) and to be honest the pro gressive KO thing changes the nature of the games a lot! Doesn't make sense to me at all to fear you're brands are not unique enough or will be mixed up cause they both have VLT.

Luke in realtion to the mixed game offerings, for midstakes players there is virtually nothing to play. I played and beat the micros a long time ago and dont want to go back.

I think the daily horse, 8 game, stud 8, omaha 8, 5 card draw and razz at 27 was perfect, always started and and i dont think i ever seen them overlay once.

Only the stud, badugi, single draw 27 and triple draw needed to change.
Moving stud to a later time to run around the same time as stud8 and horse would be perfect.

Triple draw and badugi moved to an 11 buyin and run close together would be perfect.
single draw moving to the progreesive knockout is perfect I think.
Switching the limit holdem to six max and lowering buyin is a good idea and I think this could run well with the hyper turbo limit holdems that ran early morning gmt.

Please add back the 5.50 27 turbo single draw and the 16.50 pko horse at 14.25gmt.

One last thing can you change the limit o8 to full ring from 6max, 6max lo8 is pretty uncommon in tournaments

More fixed limit games with decent buy-in in shorthanded format would be nice.

With this new schedule, mixed games enthusiasts will only log in during SCOOP and WCOOP. Many people will be unhappier with Stars, if it is even possible in 2016.

I personally don't believe there is hope for poker in Amaya format, and don't believe there is any real sense in brining our feedback and wishes. The goals of poker players and roulette owners are contradicting, and the former are treated like trash by the latter. Good news is, new rooms are popping up. They could not even dream to attract players from Stars two years ago; now there is huge improvement, and for that I am very thankful. Don't stop killing non-spin-and-go versions of poker.

+1, turbos and hyper are for adrenalin yonkis, and there is a reson the bigs have had always bigger fileds than the hots! becuase people likes to actually play some poker!!!