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04-22-2016 , 11:38 AM
Still dont like new payout model...
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04-22-2016 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Tentacle
Why have you done this to the mixed schedule? Most of the dailies ran most of the time, the 8-Game and HORSE were particularly popular? Please just add them back in, even if not bolded or coloured. It's not like the odd mixed event sprinkled in the sea of NLHE made the schedule look "cluttered" or anything.

The way Stars is treating its mixed players since the takeover, it seems like they're trying to phase them out. People still want to play these games, I hope another site is willing to take advantage of this particular instance of Stars' disrespect to a section of its player base.

Side note: 2-7 Single Draw. The perfect game for a pooflinging progressive super knockout. Try it out (not in a COOP or series obv, regular schedule). I think it would be very popular and I think the decline in mixed MTT numbers has been partly due to the introduction of PSKOs. Give them a go in the one big bet game it hasn't been tried in (NLO8 has proved very popular).

I've been off 2+2 for a while and don't know if the current people in charge of this sort of thing here and at Stars in general have a clue about non-NLHE these days but the guy who introduced the Daily 27s knew what was up. Some are less popular than others, that doesn't mean they're a failure, they've just found their natural GTD.
Agreed the schedule before the dailys came in was much better even.
WE use to have 11,16.50, 2x33,109 horse daily, now there is only a 16.50 plus micro stakes.
I have gone from playing about 30 tournaments on a sunday to about 3.
Well played pokerstars
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04-22-2016 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
it doesnt make sense for hots and bb to have vlt but not bigs.
+1
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04-22-2016 , 11:45 AM
well people kept moaning about 5K stacks over and over, which was pretty ridiculous imo given the running times of bigs/hots (e.g. you can't have a turbo[hot] last much longer than the 4hours). you can't expect structure to stay the same with such a bigger starting stack.
just a counter-argument.. obviously sucks that structures got worse.

blue doesn't look good for special tours, looks like satellites as someone else mentioned, not that important, but just saying.
maybe use a darker red like burgundy for them, or bold red for majors vs plain red for these.

no matter the criticism made (and to be made ), kudos to luke for all the work he put into the new schedule
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04-22-2016 , 11:48 AM
Why changed Weds Battle Royale? Was 109/150k now its $215/100k??
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04-22-2016 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BMakk
I'm getting real tired of this. Is those complaints "bitching"? The structure are getting worse and they are implementing the worst structure possible on those daily special. How is that not a plea to get better structures?
I didn't mean you, just the people posting without being constructive. You make good points wrt the structure.
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04-22-2016 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gettym
Why changed Weds Battle Royale? Was 109/150k now its $215/100k??
I'm not sure what's going on with the GTDs across the board, but I assume they are all set low so that Luke can raise them next week and not risk having to lower anything.
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04-22-2016 , 11:56 AM
Ummm yea all the weekly omahas and the saturday 55s need to return for sure... not much of a complaint other than the structure being not so good.
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04-22-2016 , 11:57 AM
yeah it's no surprise anymore that amaya is pushing to even out any and every possible existing edge.
flatter payouts, more rake, faster structures...

#gottopaybackthoseloans
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04-22-2016 , 11:58 AM
Really nice schedule overall!! Really happy to see early antes in all tournaments! Thanks for listening!

Only thing we need to get improved now are the structures. Too fast structures, I really enjoyed playing "the big" tournaments on sundays before, because that extra 2 minute levels on sundays allowed so much more room to play when you're deep in them. Should make similar structures like them in all majors. (atleast in the bigger buyins with fewer runners)

+1 for orange or red colour for the specials instead of blue.
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04-22-2016 , 11:59 AM
Before he started posting the timbeys he said next week will be spent adjusting guarantees. The tournaments added almost without exception make the schedule better

The structures need improvement in the bigs for sure but I m not even sure that's the case with more chips on play and a more meaningful middle phase. Bugs around the bubble have been way too short for my liking and this should address that. Let a couple run to see how the average stacks develop first
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04-22-2016 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
For real. We've waged so many battles to get here. #antes #T500 #5kstartingstack

People keep posting in MTTc about the good old times. If people even remembered what the schedule looked like in the boom years they'd be ****ing horrified. What we have now is lightyears ahead of anything we've ever been offered. People are just bitter about Amaya and can't see things clearly.

Also, we gotta give constructive feedback. Just bitching without offering suggestions is how you end up getting nothing you want.
Just because it is better than what it was in 2011, doesnt mean it is better than what it currently is. (Structures are a massssssive downgrade and effectively a huge rake increase.)

From what ive seen of new schedule it seems fine, but the new structures make it so much worse. (6 hours of play in, 6k-12k vs 40k-80k.....)
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04-22-2016 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
I'm not sure what's going on with the GTDs across the board, but I assume they are all set low so that Luke can raise them next week and not risk having to lower anything.
GTDs will drop For Sure. that's because the number of satellites got reduced pretty significantly. (e.g. b162 had 10 sats, at the new schedule it has only 2)

once again i'd like to repeat, despite all the criticism, the new NLH schedule looks really really good.
if you tweak whatever structure needs tweaking and put some <3 to sats too that got hammered, it will be awesome.
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04-22-2016 , 12:07 PM
new mid-highstakes schedule looks really nice

(regarding only regspeed mid-highstakes nlh)
+daily majors
+5k start in bigs
+different 6m pko !!!!! (imo the best mtts right now)
+higher buy-ins = longer lvl
+b215 (former b162) timeslot improved a lot

-b109 changing slots with b22 (not that big of a deal tho)
-big structure looks really crappy in late stages..... if you put VLT on them they are for sure great! seems like no big deal and no one minds stuck a little bit longer in front of the computer once they are deep in a tourney where they can win 100x+ buy-ins.
make it +3mins around itm and +3mins around ft (or even f2)
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04-22-2016 , 12:09 PM
Good job on the schedule overall. More positives than negatives for me overall. However, you messed up with the bigs in my opinion. They should absolutely have variable level times. You have the capability to do it as well. It really is a no brainier. We want these tournaments to have the best structures for reg speeds on the site,, have big amounts up top and some play to them late on.
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04-22-2016 , 12:11 PM
Also, Sunday 500 has been a favorite of mine. Do not play it regulary because it's a bit out of my comfort zone bankroll wise but the reason of it being such a good tournament is the brilliant structure. It takes a long time, granted but I've never heard one complaint after the ante's were introduced earlier.

Now, that tournament is gone and instead, $700 PSKO and a $1.050 Sunday Grand. Granted, there is demand for those high buy-in tournaments but I imagine an outrage because of their structures. Not only is it the high blind jumps like the sunday million, but they also have 12.5% ante's instead of 10%. The FT will have max 25bb average stack because people are more educated about ICM factors.
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04-22-2016 , 12:13 PM
Btw are the non nlhe weeklies that arent blue gone forever? Thats a mistake, while some of them were quite withered (the 215s mostly and less popular games), the 82 plo/plo8/nlo8 were good. You should find a timeslot for those at least
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04-22-2016 , 12:22 PM
Blinds structures in bigs are the one downside I see with this. I imagine luke will see these replies and adjust the structures, bigs are the people's favorites and stars wants them to do well. No way they make them crapshoots
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04-22-2016 , 12:25 PM
The mini/late Super Tuesdays should start closer to the Super Tuesday.
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04-22-2016 , 12:26 PM
Wasn't there some talk about being able to use vtl based on conditions? Like increase blind levels after itm and then when ft is reached or something. Would work really well for the bigs I'd imagine.
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04-22-2016 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
here is mine. Just gtfo. This doesn't accomplish anything.
Calm down please, I will make my points

There are indeed a lot of new mtts that seem nice. However, as I am a low stakes non-turbo all around rec player, I feel like al the changes are bad for me.

8 min levels are now the standard instead of 10 minute. For example the 27 omaha 6max KO with a starting stack of 3K wil get you in the 150/300 level after 110 minutes, where the same situation will occur 30 min earlier when the new structure will be used. That is a massive quality drop. I understand good turbo players will like this change but I am not a good turbo player.

I like to play 8-game, horse, stud, 2-7 singledraw etc and I already asked in this thread if there would be more low stakes mtts for those game (higher than 5 dollar, but under the 27 daily buyin). Instead the daily mtts seem to have vanished. Also the midstake omaha and omaha hilow mtts seem much less present in the new schedule.

The 2 good things I see in the schedule are the 3 stack omania mtts and the added progressive knockout mtts but the overall loss of 'qualitytime' is a bad thing.

LittleGoliath, could you please explain to me why u think the changes are not that bad? Maybee I am overlooking something.
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04-22-2016 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pudge714
The mini/late Super Tuesdays should start closer to the Super Tuesday.
Any earlier and they wouldn't be adequate for their target market, Americas and Brazilian players. They are set early enough where Europeans who want late night action can jump in while still serving markets that traditionally never got major events.
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04-22-2016 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tjaalz
Calm down please, I will make my points

There are indeed a lot of new mtts that seem nice. However, as I am a low stakes non-turbo all around rec player, I feel like al the changes are bad for me.

8 min levels are now the standard instead of 10 minute. For example the 27 omaha 6max KO with a starting stack of 3K wil get you in the 150/300 level after 110 minutes, where the same situation will occur 30 min earlier when the new structure will be used. That is a massive quality drop. I understand good turbo players will like this change but I am not a good turbo player.

I like to play 8-game, horse, stud, 2-7 singledraw etc and I already asked in this thread if there would be more low stakes mtts for those game (higher than 5 dollar, but under the 27 daily buyin). Instead the daily mtts seem to have vanished. Also the midstake omaha and omaha hilow mtts seem much less present in the new schedule.

The 2 good things I see in the schedule are the 3 stack omania mtts and the added progressive knockout mtts but the overall loss of 'qualitytime' is a bad thing.
Good post. Start off with this level of feedback next time and you'll receive open arms and a chance to get what you want from the schedule overlords.
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04-22-2016 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pudge714
The mini/late Super Tuesdays should start closer to the Super Tuesday.
+1

Instead of 5:00 14:00, 19:00

It should be 10:00 14:00 18:00

IMO
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04-22-2016 , 12:35 PM
Good job PS!!!
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