Yea ,with this payouts its just better to take some kind of deal on pokerstars.For example i was on FT on low stakes hyper and i offer the other guy which was like me micro-low stakes "reg " cuz of the double money for first difference.He refused because mby he thinked hes godlike better to me or just cuz he had 2 to 1 lead i dont remember exactly but after that in just a 6-7 hand i beat him for double the money + it was big variance hyper.If hes fun player i dont care if he put the tick or not and we are deep and theres no life changing money on the line .

Although no one from stars writes in this thread for a long time,they seem to take these posts for granted.I dont know who came up with this idea that 1st and 2nd should have equal payout,but they made all the bounty builders like that,even on the sit and go area.This is bad for a competitive player(now it doesnt matter if you finish 1st or second).Even though the old payouts were kind of bad,it was better than this one.
Imagine if Champions league's final has the same cups for both teams,or the Wimbledon has the same trophy for both competitors..it just kills the competitivity

You are completly wrong.
The reason why 1st and 2nd get the same regular prize is because of the Bountys which are still in play. So first still gets almost twice as much as 2nd at the end.

I am not wrong at all
I see the difference when it comes to cashes for final tables.
For example bounty builder 33 on demand..for 215 entries,i received a prize of 1700$..now for 215 entries i can get maximum 1200$(and that's an optimistic view).
It ruins the main thing that suppose to be "bounty builders",where everybody should run for bounties and not to stall just to get highet amounts of $.
We can use this for any other bounty builder tournament to see my point here,but since they keep track of what micro players has to say about this,than it's ok.
Using the term phrase "first still gets almost twice as much as 2nd at the end" it's a bit unrealistic..let's say you are in the second position and until heads up you didnt knocked out any player at all..will you find this thing correct upon a player who busted almost all the players?My oppinion is that they should have let the old payouts,because bounties are side awards

you are completely wrong

wrong

Its a mix of both. You need to chase Bountys, but at the same time you need to make sure to ladder up. If you want to play tournaments where people only chase Bountys then Id suggest you to play Heads Up Full KO Progressive Knockouts instead of normal Bounty Builders.

No one wants to play a tournament where 2nd place gets significant less money compared to first place.

If you are saying that the main goal in Bounty Builders is trying to only go for Bountys then you are playing these things completely wrong and lose a lot of money longterm.

What's people opinion on 5 X reentry in the special sunday million. Seems like it favours the pros.

I would think so yes.
You can invest up to $1,290, that's a high roller amount.

with that big of a field it shouldn't be that big of a problem

You're still missing the point.
Full ko Hu are way different than bounty builders.On any competition with a prize money involved,the winner gets 2x second place.If you will scroll lobby,you will see that in fact,with the new payouts,second place get around 60-70% of the first prize(bounties included) and this goes up for different buyins.Im just to lazy to make printscreens for all those tournaments i am reffering at,just to see that i am in the right.
Why didnt they make first 3 places the same and play for bounties and only first two..it doesnt make sense to me.
Once again,for bounty builders turbo on demand,the prize for 1st could run up to 1700$ and now max prize is 1000$.You do the math and tell me that on long time people will drop those as well.It just happen to bounty builder 109 turbo on demand(it lasted roughly 5 or 6 days,until players didnt joined that tournament anymore and it has been deleted from the lobby)

Pokerstars just dont realize that if a tournament will drop its guaranteed prize pool,players will start to lose their interest for that specific tournament,moving to other tournaments until the same thing will happen
For example BIG 55- it had a 50k guaranteed maybe 3 years ago,9k for 1st prize.Now it's 18k guaranteed with 3k 1st prize and 2k for second.I can bet a lot of money that in few months it will drop to 12k until it will be removed from lobby.All these things happened before on fultilt for the tournaments that were the most played on the site(Triceratops,T-rex,Multi50 etc)

Bounty builder 109,on a daily basis,you could have won 16-17 k.For the same number of entrats now you can get maximum 11-12k.Spreading money between all the people in the money could generate more rake,but on the long run,it will decrease the volume

In the end,i wasnt lazy at all and posted 3 printscreen for the most played bounty builders of one day
Bounty builders 44$ 2nd has 62% of 1st place
bounty builder 33 is even worse : 2nd gets 92% of first place(this is ridiculous)
Bounty builders 55$ 2nd gets 66% of first place

There you go :
https://imgur.com/a/juDksYm

We know this, but before when 1st got double what 2nd got BEFORE bounties it ended up with 1st getting 3-4x what 2nd got.

Party uses even payouts for 1st and 2nd in Bounties, too. The BIG 55 is no comparison at all given that ALL vanilla tourneys on Stars are dying due to the exact thing you seem to want, a BIG first place payout with weak 2nd thru 9th payouts.

This is like literally one of the only things Stars has done right recently... these payouts are what the BIG payouts should be, 1st getting X and 2nd getting 65% or so for 2nd... but that will not happen under current ownership.

And 109 BB On Demands probably weren't a needed format really. The $33s are doing just fine even with the $11s being introduced and cannibalizing some of the action on them.

And there is nothing ridiculous about him winning 92% of 1st, he won more bounties going into the HU, he earned it. Good for him. Imagine if he had won that HU instead of losing it... 1st would have paid like triple 2nd even with even payouts cause of all the bounties he'd have won. Why don't you mention that it could easily have gone the other way there?

Ok,it's needless to say with those arguments.
But
If you start a tournament thinking to get 3rd or 2nd,than it's really bad for you mental practice,because no one ever knows who the loser is.I rather finish 8th in a tournament than 2nd,it's just a matter of principle.
I'm ok with the payouts for low or micro,because those little money counts for the players,but why do this on the medium/high pool?They did that equal thing for all bounty builders(mtt or sng),which is really bad.
The worst part of this is that stars took notice about what few people said here,players with low volume/low rake etc and we have to comply with this.
For example,Speck champ played 591 tournaments last year and 94 this year,mostly 11$ tournaments.And he/she is talking about what's in the best interest for the majority of players.
And one more thing..BB33 on demand were fine until they changed the payouts

No one is playing for 2nd or 3rd, who thinks like that? What Pokerstars did, implementing this change in top2 payouts, is a reduction of variance. Before the 1st was getting 3-5x of 2nd and now it is more 2:1 ratio, which is much healthier given the high variance of the game. The other day I was chipleading 2:1 HU and lost every single aipf and came 2nd. I wasn't happy of course, but had it been in the older system my EV difference would have been astronomical.

Also, are you just bumhurt that you won a bounty builder after the updated payouts and show your 'anger' of not winning more, by posting illogical assumptions about the improved payout structure?

Your whole argumentation is based on basically nothing. Even your screenshots are very selective since you basically selected a few which rarely happen. I could do the same and find screenshots where 1st got 3x more money than 2nd even with the new payout structure.

"Speck champ played 591 tournaments last year and 94 this year".
You sound like I am mainly responsible for the payout change and like I am a recreational who doesnt know what hes saying when its actually the opposite.

People were complaining everywhere about the bad payout structures for Bounty Builder tournaments. Not only here, but also on Discord, Twitch, Pokerstrategy or even emailed the support since they were added to the schedule a few years ago.

Its also a massive misconception to think that Pokerstars is making changes based on our opinion in this thread alone.

You wont find anyone here who shares your opinion about the payouts.

Do me a favour and ask 50-100 poker players if they prefer the old or the new payout structure for Bounty Builders. Then you will see how alone you are with your opinion instead of blaming us here in this thread for the changes Pokerstars has made.

wtf does that even mean?

Yeah,asking another 50-100 players like you,who plays 1.5 tournaments per day will make a difference.
Those that probably share my opinion dont post in this thread

Damn, I've seen the light, good arguments suzyana, hopefully they change them back. While they are at it, just don't even pay anyone but 1st place for the regular payout pool. That's it. We play for first or bust! I mean you already get to win some bounties to cover your buy-ins during the tourney, expecting a bit more than that for finishing 2nd or 3rd out of 2000 runners is just greed.

I wish you luck in getting this changed. Maybe you could boycott Stars and play on PartyPoker instead... oh wait... they use equal payouts too. I think 888 still has unequal payouts. Try there. It may take a while, years even, but don't give up, eventually Amaya will miss you and change them back. I promise.

Yep, ask more players like me who played almost 14 years on Pokerstars and over 27k tournaments, but heavily decreased their volume on the site due to the bad payout structures and started to play more tournaments on other sites.

No one forces you to play tournaments of which you dont like the payout structure. If you dont like it, play other tournaments or play on another site.
But dont act like everyone except you is wrong and it needs to be changed back because you dont like it while everyone else likes the change.

And again, stop being stupid and trying to blame a few people for the change. Go back to the first site of this thread and read the comments. People have complained about the bad payout structure for Bounty Builders since they were introduced.

And also stop bringing up pointless arguments based on your emotions. When you feel offended because we dont share the same opinion like you do.

If you still feel like we are all wrong, then go and message the live support and ask them why they did the change and discuss your problem with them.

You realise that i'm not the only person you argue with,right?You probably cant stand the opposite of what others think
Go play on every site you want,but on stars you only have 600 tournaments in a 1year+,so your opinion is close to 0,ok?
Your entire buy in is 183.544,2$ for 24.972 tournaments
I played only 13981 tournaments on stars for 369.747,45$ buy in.Not to mention where i had the real volume on ftp,but it's pointless to say you were playing for 14 years when in the last 4 years you played only 1765 tournaments(that's on the average of 1.5 tournaments per day).Once again,you're not that entitled to request different payouts if your volume is that low.
For the amount of rake i generated over the years and coming from plo 500-1000,i never ever came here to ask for a different schedule or diffent payouts,nor did i sent emails requests for this and leave it as it was,because change is not always the best thing and i wasnt even entitled to request such things.There's literaly a handful of people,who keep posting in this thread for different demands(bad structure,bad payouts,lowering the buyins,multiple entries,new tournaments,and so on),but didnt ever thought they will implement payouts like you requested.

@Satellite84,sarcasm isnt your talent at all,you should stop about this and focus on other things.In the meantime,i really hope stars will reconsider the payouts structure,for the sake of competitivity

My sarcasm was fine.

Your arguments on the other hand are horrible.

Who wants to beat out 2000 people in a bounty tournament, get heads up and then know that either I will get 2K for second or 7200 for first?

Gamblers. Pure gamblers are the only people who would want that type of structure. That was consistently the end result when the payouts were 1st getting double 2nd in the standard pool plus bounties on top.

It was awful. It was bad for recs and regs. They changed to something Party had already been doing for a year and everyone here had asked for from the day Bounty Builders began years ago (as Speck said and you ignored).

My sarcasm was because arguing with you is pointless. You have your opinion, and you are entitled and if Stars listens to you and changes, then so be it, we'll all adjust like we always have. But I doubt they will since you are in a major minority here, even among recs.

Anyway, I do wish you luck in your fight, but I think you won't get anywhere.

Edited to add: I agree the On Demands given they were smaller, were OK at the old payouts because it wasn't double 2nd for 1st place... but that is only because of field size, the bigger the field sizes the more it became 2nd getting 50% of 1st and that is too extreme. If they had changed to a slight profit for 1st over 2nd, I might like it more than exactly 50/50, but this is WAY better than the terrible double 1st place payouts of old.

We played some of those at the end of last year,but havent saw you lately on those.

Yah, I moved most of my volume to Party and 888, I still fire them when I need tables, but not every day anymore. But the truth is I only played On Demands for a while cause they were the closest to the a reasonable 1st/2nd place payout cause of the small field. Once they made the 50/50 payouts, I began firing on Stars again... at least stuff like the $22 PKO, BB33 and 16.50 Deep PKO...

We make our money in MTTs by turning our deep runs into big payouts... the old pay structure meant you MUST finish 1st to succeed, now it is spread a little more fairly. That's all. I like that, most seem to, you don't. That's the way it goes.

Gambling is fine, I'm already gambling for the bounties... beating 1998 people in a 2000 man tournament to win 2K and then flip a HU situation for another 5K is an extreme gamble... I'd rather we both get 3500 and then play HU for 2K more... I think most agree.

You seem really unhappy with these payouts, so I am sincerely sorry you don't like them because you're right I doubt they will change them back for you.

Have a good day. I'm signing off this topic now. Nothing left to add. GLGL in your games and maybe you see in an On Demand one of these days.

Any chance of putting another blue mtt in between late edition and pacific rims. About 10pm EST start time would be good.

Add more micro blue $2.20s to the late editions as well.

@Luke/Stars
The Blind Structure of the Saturdays Duel is a nightmare, playing it feels like playing a hyper turbo.

22 $ HU Zoom (14:20 CET) compared with the Saturdays Duel:






Its an awkward structure especially for Heads Up. Blinds should increase more linear and not sometimes by 9 % and sometimes by 33 %.

Its not a special tournament if the structure is way worse than the normal versions. Even having more starting stack doesnt balance how bad the blind structure right now is.

Making the structure faster will only lead to less people late regging and not the opposite.