[OFFICIAL] PokerStars MTT Thread
Pretty much
Too many cancelled tournaments..... not happy about the 6 minimum rule - thumbs down
luke you said you want to do something with the Big162 to increase numbers, instead you kept lowering the guarantee. Now we are at 7,5k gtd and today it had 58 entrants. Is that really worth the label "Big" ?
Change it to the Big82 with a 20k guarantee and see how it goes
Not that I play it, but the 27$ Mega Sat to the Daily500 is cancelled almost every day. Why not try a 11$ Mega Sat to the Big215 with 3 seats gtd instead?!
Change it to the Big82 with a 20k guarantee and see how it goes
Not that I play it, but the 27$ Mega Sat to the Daily500 is cancelled almost every day. Why not try a 11$ Mega Sat to the Big215 with 3 seats gtd instead?!
Thanks for the reply Luke Only been 10 days now....
Are you kidding me stars?? You promoted these football chests as special prizes....
I got 2 chests, 1 for $1.75 and 1 for 100 stars coins???? That's significantly less than I get from your normal ****ty chests??
I guess I'll add this to the list of over-hyped disappointments you've given me over the last couple years.
Serious question: Are you trying to kill your business?
I got 2 chests, 1 for $1.75 and 1 for 100 stars coins???? That's significantly less than I get from your normal ****ty chests??
I guess I'll add this to the list of over-hyped disappointments you've given me over the last couple years.
Serious question: Are you trying to kill your business?
Yes, a very crappy promotion indeed. Nothing to get excited about.
If you do this, better do nothing.
If you do this, better do nothing.
You guys act surprised
I wonder how come general public isn't insulted or pissed off at these 50c EV Amaya promos. Since they keep doing it I have feeling it might be working as an incentive to play anyway? Or people are being naive every time? It's mind boggling.
Consider that the average chest is worth far less than $1. For the majority of players these are actually way better than average rewards, sad as that is.
Hello Luke,
I always enjoyed playing regular heads up mtt's in the past.
They were always filled with people and were enjoyed by loads of people.
What is the reason that these are not in the schedule at all anymore?
I always enjoyed playing regular heads up mtt's in the past.
They were always filled with people and were enjoyed by loads of people.
What is the reason that these are not in the schedule at all anymore?
They are zoom PKOs, but if you have an edge HU, you'll still have it playing those.
Are you kidding me stars?? You promoted these football chests as special prizes....
I got 2 chests, 1 for $1.75 and 1 for 100 stars coins???? That's significantly less than I get from your normal ****ty chests??
I guess I'll add this to the list of over-hyped disappointments you've given me over the last couple years.
Serious question: Are you trying to kill your business?
I got 2 chests, 1 for $1.75 and 1 for 100 stars coins???? That's significantly less than I get from your normal ****ty chests??
I guess I'll add this to the list of over-hyped disappointments you've given me over the last couple years.
Serious question: Are you trying to kill your business?
I got 4.50$. Now I die happy
Hey everyone,
This will be a long one.
There is nothing in particular to announce. We're all grinding away at preparations for upcoming promotions, including WCOOP.
Received this feedback in a few places. Will ensure it doesn't happen again going forward. Thanks for dropping a note here.
The $215 isn't a terribly popular tournament, so I am not too excited about the prospects of increasing the buy-in further. I think the $22 is pretty well-participated, though.
Thanks Josh. Anyone else want to chime in on the idea of having more Progressive KO Majors? There are no imminent changes planned, but I'd like to receive more feedback.
Thanks for the feedback. Since we've increased the amount of NLO8 we offer in our big Series, we can probably get away with running an Event with shorter level times. We'll consider it for WCOOP.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree on the idea of a heads-up during peak time, but I think we are reaching critical mass in terms of how much Zoom the schedule can support. I'd like to give this some more thought..
You’ve convinced me. It will be $109/$10K GTD from Monday, June 18th. Please support it!
I handed in my resignation for this unforgiveable decision. Unfortunately, it was rejected.
I wanted to try some different buy-ins during SCOOP (and may do the same during WCOOP), but I still don't have an optimistic outlook when it comes to weekly Phase tournaments. People just want to qualify to a big tournament on Sunday. The higher the buy-in, the weaker the participation will be on Monday-Friday. This is why if we were to add a new weekly Phase, I'd lean toward a lower buy-in to make sure Monday through Saturday Phase 1s are well-participated.
It looks like this tournament cancelled on the 13th and 20th of May, but not since. Still, we'll reduce the minimum entrants required to start to five players instead of six. Other tournaments will be changed as well, so please keep your eyes peeled.
This format was just a longshot attempt to breathe some life into the Bubble Rush format. It hasn't been terribly successful and is more likely to be removed than expanded. We are trying to be a bit more careful with the complexity of the schedule. To overgeneralize, think about how players find a game in the Spin & Go tab compared to the Tourney tab. The Tourney tab is not pretty, and we're trying to be more conscious about creating additional clutter.
1 - Why? Anyone else agree/disagree?
2 - I don't think finishing second in this tournament and not winning a prize is particularly common as you'd have to win your round of four against someone who also got to that point without winning a prize, but I take your point. The problem is that we don't want to create situations in this format where players are incentivized to stall. What would you think about a prize structure where a certain percent of players just receive 2x or 3x their buy-in, regardless of their finishing position?
3 - This tournament seems to be well-participated. What do you like about it?
Adding a PSKO element to a shootout would almost certainly increase participation, but what would it add? Assuming all tables are full, won't the knockout money move around in a completely predictable manner? I guess the upside is that you could win a couple bounties and not be upset if you finish in second place at your table.
The daily Mega is at three seats guaranteed right now. Its popularity increases and decreases based on whether or not we're running a Spin & Go satellite (because they award $11 satellite tickets). I do not think the benefit would be big enough to warrant changing the tournament on a constant basis due to the Spin & Go.
Generic ticket satellites? I'd be all for it, but unfortunately satellites tend to be better participated if they show up in the tournament lobby of a specific tournament. Since a ticket satellite isn't directly linked to another tournament, players have a hard time finding them.
Which?
Luke please increase the starting stack from 3k to 5k or make it a Re-Entry. Its unaccaptable how it is right now. At the end of the latereg there are 97 people left and 83 people get paid (almost their buy-in). By increasing the starting stack you wont hurt the pricepool (it might even get more popularity) and you solve that problem.
only 2 minutes after the latereg has ended, the tournament was played hand by hand.
Late registration in this tournament will be reduced from 80 minutes to 60 minutes going forward. It should solve the issue. Thank you very much for the feedback - these types of issues are difficult to spot without your help.
I'm not a fan of the first two options. I'm not sure how happy players would be with a slower structure in a Zoom tournament and bigger starting stacks are mostly reserved for special tournaments. I don't think a shorter registration period will hurt this tournament in particular. Players can change their registration habits and there's no re-entry.
Thank you for this. It is a pretty crappy player experience to have these listed, so I'm going to see what can be done to have them removed. In the meantime, I've expired yours so they should no longer be in your menu.
Yes, though they will also be changed to five entrants starting next week.
I understand this could be problematic in a tournament where you only win money if you knock someone out, but in a normal tournament, this would massively incentivize stalling. This is a roundabout way of saying that the price of development would simply be too high for such a niche case.
This is also a great backup, though not if you have a lot of tables!
Unfortunately, they're just not well-participated.
What dates would you suggest?
I believe there will be some promotional activity, but I'm fairly certain there will not be ultra-satellites.
Wow, people remember Common Cents?!
Which ones, exactly? This weekend's Bigger $22 and Bigger $11 both lasted around 11 hours.
I think removing re-entry would hurt rather than help these tournaments. The problem with off-peak is that it's off-peak: the player pool is very limited, so offering re-entry allows us to reduce the buy-in and still generate prize pools.
It will be the 5 minimum rule starting Monday!
The Big $162 will change from Monday - see above. You are correct that the Daily 500 Mega is underperforming. We'll change the minimum entrants in these tournaments to see if we can breathe some life into them. We've had the discussion about the pink sats to the Bigs a few times by now and my position hasn't changed.
Hey, we use these quiet periods to our advantage, planning the next promotions and changes to the schedule. But now that you've summoned me, I'm here!
This will be a long one.
There is nothing in particular to announce. We're all grinding away at preparations for upcoming promotions, including WCOOP.
Received this feedback in a few places. Will ensure it doesn't happen again going forward. Thanks for dropping a note here.
I think it's fine. In my mind, anything that gets higher participation, especially among recs, is a great thing and the schedule should lean more towards that. Obviously can't lean super ridiculously unfavorably in one direction or another, but this is still well within what's reasonable and I think this would be a good change for this tournament. Summer time (between SCOOP/WCOOP) seems a perfect time to trial it out
Recs in general definitely love PKOs. Many examples that are proof of higher participation between PKO and regular FO at the $100+ stakes (where I'm more familiar)
-$109 Mini Thurs Thrill always gets much larger field than $109 Mini Super Tues
-COOP $109 and $215 Mini Thurs Thrill always much larger field than COOP $109 and $215 Mini Super Tues
-Bounty 109 every day gets a much larger field than Big 109 and they start 1.5 hours apart. Big 109 reggier field, Bounty 109 def has many more fun players splashing around
I think Friday being the 'fast' day that a 6m psko with 'fast' structure or some sort of variable level time is perfect for the theme of the day.
Great SCOOP series, I had a lot of fun grinding!
Recs in general definitely love PKOs. Many examples that are proof of higher participation between PKO and regular FO at the $100+ stakes (where I'm more familiar)
-$109 Mini Thurs Thrill always gets much larger field than $109 Mini Super Tues
-COOP $109 and $215 Mini Thurs Thrill always much larger field than COOP $109 and $215 Mini Super Tues
-Bounty 109 every day gets a much larger field than Big 109 and they start 1.5 hours apart. Big 109 reggier field, Bounty 109 def has many more fun players splashing around
I think Friday being the 'fast' day that a 6m psko with 'fast' structure or some sort of variable level time is perfect for the theme of the day.
Great SCOOP series, I had a lot of fun grinding!
0 tournaments @ SCOOP first time since 2011. Reason: ridiculously bad structures.
For instance tonight, starting time 23:30 EET NLO8, 20 min / 30 min blinds (action game meets mega deep grind), 2-day event but both days probably end around 9 AM (hard to say about Sunday though). Can't satellite either, because autoregistration. Otherwise might consider satellite -> latereg near the end of latereg for a "quick" shot (5 hours late registration period is a bit of an overkill).
Next time make them start many hours earlier or make it 10 min blinds if you decide to go with European midnight starting time.
For instance tonight, starting time 23:30 EET NLO8, 20 min / 30 min blinds (action game meets mega deep grind), 2-day event but both days probably end around 9 AM (hard to say about Sunday though). Can't satellite either, because autoregistration. Otherwise might consider satellite -> latereg near the end of latereg for a "quick" shot (5 hours late registration period is a bit of an overkill).
Next time make them start many hours earlier or make it 10 min blinds if you decide to go with European midnight starting time.
Since SCOOP is coming to an end, here are some thoughts on the current schedule and where an addition can be made:
1.In terms of the heads up, you guys got a good deal of them at night ET and a decent one in the morning for those in Europe at 4:45AM ET, however I believe you guys could add one similar one in the day. There are HU currently at 6:30 ET, 9:30 ET, 11:15 ET, 4:45AM ET, one sometime around 12-2 ET in the afternoon would be money.
Personally I would love to see a similar to Saturday format at around $15-20, maybe 12-15k guaranteed (Saturdays usually hit 20k without much problem) with the same starting stack and blind levels
2.A more expensive $3.30 8:20 ET PKO Zoom would also be nice, maybe in the $15-33 range just like you guys do with the 3max zoom at 4:45, so you could essentially have two levels of buyins for that zoom structure (10k starting stack, 9 max) running in the evening as I know your $3.30 is very popular. As far as the guarantee, you guys can start with 10kish and I'm sure you'll have no problem hitting it, I think it would be very money as the current one is popular as hell and SCOOP showed us just how well they do in general.
Let me know what your thoughts are
1.In terms of the heads up, you guys got a good deal of them at night ET and a decent one in the morning for those in Europe at 4:45AM ET, however I believe you guys could add one similar one in the day. There are HU currently at 6:30 ET, 9:30 ET, 11:15 ET, 4:45AM ET, one sometime around 12-2 ET in the afternoon would be money.
Personally I would love to see a similar to Saturday format at around $15-20, maybe 12-15k guaranteed (Saturdays usually hit 20k without much problem) with the same starting stack and blind levels
2.A more expensive $3.30 8:20 ET PKO Zoom would also be nice, maybe in the $15-33 range just like you guys do with the 3max zoom at 4:45, so you could essentially have two levels of buyins for that zoom structure (10k starting stack, 9 max) running in the evening as I know your $3.30 is very popular. As far as the guarantee, you guys can start with 10kish and I'm sure you'll have no problem hitting it, I think it would be very money as the current one is popular as hell and SCOOP showed us just how well they do in general.
Let me know what your thoughts are
@ luke can we please have big 162$ @13h CET buy in/guaranties changed? like 82$ or 109$/10k-15k G???
is ridiculous and absurd imo to have 162$ 6kG when 30 minutes later there is 22$ pko 15k G and 1 hour before 82$ hot is 8k G...
imo 82$/109$ buy in with 10kG min will perform better then 162$ (make it 1 rentry if necessary imo)
is ridiculous and absurd imo to have 162$ 6kG when 30 minutes later there is 22$ pko 15k G and 1 hour before 82$ hot is 8k G...
imo 82$/109$ buy in with 10kG min will perform better then 162$ (make it 1 rentry if necessary imo)
Why did you change the min entrants from 3 to 6?
I didn't get a e mail about this as stated either fwiw.
Today's Pacific rim got cancelled because it was 1 player short or starting. It always hits gtd despite you reducing the gtd over time from 25k (which is hit) all the way down to 12k gtd even though it was hitting 17-20k every week.
I get that it's a coop Sunday so won't be a popular but it's been played and hit gtd all through the series until this change.
It's not just this tournament there is a history of just reducing gtd even though the tournament hit (unless it's psko which never get reduced).
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I didn't get a e mail about this as stated either fwiw.
Today's Pacific rim got cancelled because it was 1 player short or starting. It always hits gtd despite you reducing the gtd over time from 25k (which is hit) all the way down to 12k gtd even though it was hitting 17-20k every week.
I get that it's a coop Sunday so won't be a popular but it's been played and hit gtd all through the series until this change.
It's not just this tournament there is a history of just reducing gtd even though the tournament hit (unless it's psko which never get reduced).
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Luke, please change the following things or at least do some test runs:
1 - Change all 5 Card Draw tournaments from 8 min blinds to 12 min blinds - the game is almost unplayable with 8 min blind increases.
2 - Switch all Full PSKO HU Zoom MTTs to 50 % PSKOs. I have seen people finishing 2nd in them without winning anything for playing hours of poker and surviving hundreds of players. The variance is insanely high and at the end people play a heads up where basically winner takes almost all. At least do a test run with 50 % PSKO instead of 100 % PSKO. Its a nightmare to finish 2nd in them as it is now.
3 - Add more rebuy Zoom MTTs like the 1 $ one, but maybe a 5 $ one.
1 - Change all 5 Card Draw tournaments from 8 min blinds to 12 min blinds - the game is almost unplayable with 8 min blind increases.
2 - Switch all Full PSKO HU Zoom MTTs to 50 % PSKOs. I have seen people finishing 2nd in them without winning anything for playing hours of poker and surviving hundreds of players. The variance is insanely high and at the end people play a heads up where basically winner takes almost all. At least do a test run with 50 % PSKO instead of 100 % PSKO. Its a nightmare to finish 2nd in them as it is now.
3 - Add more rebuy Zoom MTTs like the 1 $ one, but maybe a 5 $ one.
2 - I don't think finishing second in this tournament and not winning a prize is particularly common as you'd have to win your round of four against someone who also got to that point without winning a prize, but I take your point. The problem is that we don't want to create situations in this format where players are incentivized to stall. What would you think about a prize structure where a certain percent of players just receive 2x or 3x their buy-in, regardless of their finishing position?
3 - This tournament seems to be well-participated. What do you like about it?
Luke can you plz increase the gtd seats of the pink daily sunday million 11$ Mega Sat (2 atm). It always reaches the required players immediately when the sat starts and had 8 seats today
and plz think about changing some of the monday 6max and wednesday battle royal sats, especially the deep ones. A lot of them dont start because of the required min entrants....why not make 2 pink Mega sats like during scoop...people seem to play them more than the deep ones
and plz think about changing some of the monday 6max and wednesday battle royal sats, especially the deep ones. A lot of them dont start because of the required min entrants....why not make 2 pink Mega sats like during scoop...people seem to play them more than the deep ones
Luke please increase the starting stack from 3k to 5k or make it a Re-Entry. Its unaccaptable how it is right now. At the end of the latereg there are 97 people left and 83 people get paid (almost their buy-in). By increasing the starting stack you wont hurt the pricepool (it might even get more popularity) and you solve that problem.
only 2 minutes after the latereg has ended, the tournament was played hand by hand.
Well, the thing with the re-entrys should be right. But why do you think 5k starting stack wont be happening? We have 10k starting stack for some non featured tourneys.
There are only 3 solutions to solve the problem.
1. Slower structure.
2. Bigger starting stacks.
3. Shorter registration period (which is the worst solution imo since it smashes the pricepool of it)
There are only 3 solutions to solve the problem.
1. Slower structure.
2. Bigger starting stacks.
3. Shorter registration period (which is the worst solution imo since it smashes the pricepool of it)
Luke, can we get any kind of protection for DCs in HU Zoom MTTs?
Yesterday I was playing the 11 $ HU Zoom and I had ~50 Big Blinds. Then I got a DC for like 5 minutes and when I came back I was busted.
I guess it would work if we get some kind of like "Sit-out" option without being seated on another table, because its already a disadvantage in those tournaments if ur stack is getting lower compared to the average stack sizes (lower chance of winning bountys). Getting a DC and being seated on table after table with blinds being folded in high speed is not really a good thing. A DC in those tournaments is almost equal to a bust out.
Yesterday I was playing the 11 $ HU Zoom and I had ~50 Big Blinds. Then I got a DC for like 5 minutes and when I came back I was busted.
I guess it would work if we get some kind of like "Sit-out" option without being seated on another table, because its already a disadvantage in those tournaments if ur stack is getting lower compared to the average stack sizes (lower chance of winning bountys). Getting a DC and being seated on table after table with blinds being folded in high speed is not really a good thing. A DC in those tournaments is almost equal to a bust out.
Regarding 6max tournaments:
IF you look away from the mini Monday 6-Max tournaments, there are no 6max tournies during the whole week that is just vanilla NLHE freezeout. reg speed with a buy in between $11 and $55. We used to have Saturday 6max $22 dollar, and a daily 6max $16.50 starting at 2020 CET, but those days are long gone.
The only daily tournaments now, are either PSKO`s or turbo/hypers.
IF you look away from the mini Monday 6-Max tournaments, there are no 6max tournies during the whole week that is just vanilla NLHE freezeout. reg speed with a buy in between $11 and $55. We used to have Saturday 6max $22 dollar, and a daily 6max $16.50 starting at 2020 CET, but those days are long gone.
The only daily tournaments now, are either PSKO`s or turbo/hypers.
luke you said you want to do something with the Big162 to increase numbers, instead you kept lowering the guarantee. Now we are at 7,5k gtd and today it had 58 entrants. Is that really worth the label "Big" ?
Change it to the Big82 with a 20k guarantee and see how it goes
Not that I play it, but the 27$ Mega Sat to the Daily500 is cancelled almost every day. Why not try a 11$ Mega Sat to the Big215 with 3 seats gtd instead?!
Change it to the Big82 with a 20k guarantee and see how it goes
Not that I play it, but the 27$ Mega Sat to the Daily500 is cancelled almost every day. Why not try a 11$ Mega Sat to the Big215 with 3 seats gtd instead?!
Hey, we use these quiet periods to our advantage, planning the next promotions and changes to the schedule. But now that you've summoned me, I'm here!
Please make it a BIG 109 10k otherwise it’s already destined to die
Against. Many players is good, but variation is good as well. Current majors strike a good balance.
Maybe switch the timeslot for the current big109 with the big162?
Hope not, b109 is good where it is
The big109 at 6pm (cet) is fine, but the majority of the players in it nowaday is regs. Therefor I figured upping the buyin to 162 wouldn't make that much of a diffence. If they play the 109, they'll play the 162 and you'd be able to make a bigger gtd.
Am I able to pull WCOOP highlights with cards up?
I am from the USA, if that gives me any restrictions..
I am from the USA, if that gives me any restrictions..
Thanks for the feedback. I agree on the idea of a heads-up during peak time, but I think we are reaching critical mass in terms of how much Zoom the schedule can support. I'd like to give this some more thought..
1 - Why? Anyone else agree/disagree?
2 - I don't think finishing second in this tournament and not winning a prize is particularly common as you'd have to win your round of four against someone who also got to that point without winning a prize, but I take your point. The problem is that we don't want to create situations in this format where players are incentivized to stall. What would you think about a prize structure where a certain percent of players just receive 2x or 3x their buy-in, regardless of their finishing position?
3 - This tournament seems to be well-participated. What do you like about it?
Personally I find the $3.30 8:20 ET zoom format fun AF and think a more expensive one in the $16-25 range would be great for you guys and I think there are tournies around that time frame that don't do as well that could be removed. You might have better data on this though, I just think that it's one of the funner formats out there and seeing the success in the 3max zoom or the $3.30, I think it could do very well with a higher buyin.
I just hope you add the HU during the day, I think that's something that's really missing and it would improve my schedule a ton. The other suggestion would be gravy.
I'm gonna disagree with that other guy btw, I've played 100s of these tournies and this is my worst finish to money ratio:
35/650 for $26 in the $11 HU zoom
91/600 for $5 in the $11 HU zoom
100/600 for $10 in the $11 HU zoom
110/750 for $0 in the $22 HU zoom
I also play the $33 where I've never finished top 10 (13 times) and had $0 in bounties. I think this occurance happens where the person is totally clueless about how wide one needs to be hunting, for example 72o v a 20 bb call range is a profitable shove as it wins 30% of the time and they fold 70%+ of their range meaning you're leaving as a winner 80%+ of the time.
Now should you always do it? Ofc not, let's say you're very late (final 10) and blinds are 600/1200 and you have 25 bb (30k) and the other guy has 20bb (24k) (starting stack was 3k), there are all sorts of bounty levels that can give you different solutions:
Min bounty (.5 BI), fold as I can find better spots and the chips are only worth 1.5k
5x min bounty (2.5x BI), fold as I can find better spots and the chips are only worth 7.5k
10x min bounty (5x BI), close either way as the chips are worth 15k so it can't be TOO bad, it would depend on the player and other bounty sizes
15x min bounty (7.5x BI), smashing this in there as if it were AA, fold equity is great and the chips are worth around 23k, we are printing making this decision
Personally I've seen so many bad plays HU, I can say that if it is a common occurrence of running deep and not making any money or a very small amount, it's because the player is awful. I've seen people shoving A3o for 50+ bb to hunt min bounty, I've seen people folding 4bb at 25/50 for 2x min bounty, I've seen people shoving 100bb w a8o. This format exposes people in all sorts of ways.
Personally, I would keep it the way it is or only pay 5% of people. Stalling would be a HUGE issue with payouts, so if payouts were on the table, I'd say to make em small and make em for the very best.
Are you kidding me stars?? You promoted these football chests as special prizes....
I got 2 chests, 1 for $1.75 and 1 for 100 stars coins???? That's significantly less than I get from your normal ****ty chests??
I guess I'll add this to the list of over-hyped disappointments you've given me over the last couple years.
Serious question: Are you trying to kill your business?
I got 2 chests, 1 for $1.75 and 1 for 100 stars coins???? That's significantly less than I get from your normal ****ty chests??
I guess I'll add this to the list of over-hyped disappointments you've given me over the last couple years.
Serious question: Are you trying to kill your business?
Thanks Luke for such an extensive feedback. Keep it up.
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Micro Millions straight after the world cup finishes would be great.
I live in hope
What dates would you suggest?
I'd suggest last week from july till 15 august .
Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle View Post
Micro Millions straight after the world cup finishes would be great.
I live in hope
What dates would you suggest?
I'd suggest last week from july till 15 august .
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