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02-04-2018 , 09:46 PM
Holy overlay Batman! I think it's the first time the $10 mill overlayed, the last two years it went over.

Kinda stupid to put it on Superbowl Sunday. People from all over the world watch the Superbowl, especially degens who play poker as they usually have money riding on it too.

Hey Stars, hire me! I'll save you a mill next year by telling you not to put it on the Superbowl. I'll only charge you $200k for the privilege!
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02-05-2018 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cr1t1cal
Holy overlay Batman! I think it's the first time the $10 mill overlayed, the last two years it went over.

Kinda stupid to put it on Superbowl Sunday. People from all over the world watch the Superbowl, especially degens who play poker as they usually have money riding on it too.

Hey Stars, hire me! I'll save you a mill next year by telling you not to put it on the Superbowl. I'll only charge you $200k for the privilege!
It certainly had some affect but only partly. The guarantee was doable and I think their satellite program in the last week was decent/pretty good from a business standpoint... one more 3x an hour would have helped and not changing the :38 3x at odd times of the day to other formats. Having equal focus in sats for the Storm was a critical error as they don't need to rely on sat qualifiers as heavily as the SM needs them since many can afford to just buy in and don't waste time on the sats.

Having depositors money getting a 11euro ticket to Sochi really screwed them though as this should have been given to the SM. But this is the reality that Stars faces... the recreational money is spread too thin which wasn't a problem prior to Spins. They need promo's for Sochi or it too will overlay. They need a promo for LAPT chile too but decided to cancel the sats all together.

The entire Live Events on Stars outside of a few stops is going to suffer even worse than ever and it has been declining steadily for a few years and this is due to recreational money being driven to Spins when before it was going to a flyer on a Live event sat. There's other reasons which involve easy fixes but Stars likely wouldn't implement them so why bother.
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02-05-2018 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by libormar
Cmon, dont judge games that you probably dont play and dont even know how many recs loves to play them. Look at uzsidoboz88, dragus73, kolobos_vrn, those guys grind hard and probably enjoy this format a lot and its not about after 10pm, i get same recs everyday, any time slots. Dont try to get me flipping burgers in McDonalds, bro. 18mans is literally the only format i can make living on, might be motivation to play them for new players :P
It wasn't my first intention to try and kill off 18mans; I am not trying to anger any 18man Regs out there! But, as politely as possible, i am saying that we as Regs, in whatever format we choose to play, have to think about the game as a whole and of the experience of recreational players

I actually do play 18mans them myself... but only because higher buying and larger field sized SNGS are not available. Like a said previously i would like the $7 45mans to be merged with the $8 180mans (but without reg infested games like the $15s)

The main reason i suggested merging the 45mans and the 18Mans was to improve the volume of "good" games across non-peak times. Obviously "good" games is a relative terms but i just think that the positives of doing this; breaks every hour, more meaningful prizes, less ICM-based folding thus more enjoyable experience for recreational players outweigh the downsides which i only see as a slightly longer running time. But again your ROI/hourly would increase when playing 27mans when compared to 18mans unless i am mistaken?

One other possibility is to simply merge the $3 and $7 45mans into $5 ones so the two player pools increase traffic to breath some new life into SNGS?
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02-05-2018 , 12:51 PM


I thought stuff like this had stopped happening and you'd at least get your buy-in back??.. especially since this has re-entries and is not PKO?

Edit: Just realised the MTT title and the actual buy-in are different. It's now a bug report, not a complaint

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02-05-2018 , 12:57 PM
I am all for that "The main reason i suggested merging the 45mans and the 18Mans was to improve the volume of "good" games across non-peak times".

Turbo series schedule is out btw.

Very nice variety of sats for Anniversary Milly and Storm last week.

Last edited by mecantplay; 02-05-2018 at 01:00 PM. Reason: Obv not cool to not have micro turbo events :( PS hate micro and low players money...
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02-05-2018 , 02:20 PM
Turbo series schedule out. No stud events at all what i can see. Last Tcoop had a razz a stud and a stud8. I guess its completly useless to even mention this since stars really doesnt care anymore about ”opinions” or ”suggestions”. Last year i could play 6-7 mixed events, this year have fewer options, and with the added bonus of a late schedule announcement doesnt make it easier.
But thanks for the horse 8game and omaha8 atleast.
By the way, is the badugi really played pot limit?
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02-05-2018 , 04:00 PM
last year you could play 2 non NLH events every day, this year we're lucky there's still 1 tourney per day remaining. including draw games and FLHE which obviously only few people enjoy playing.
what's the reason to cut omaha games comparing to last year's schedule?
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02-05-2018 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ThePokerBot
It wasn't my first intention to try and kill off 18mans; I am not trying to anger any 18man Regs out there! But, as politely as possible, i am saying that we as Regs, in whatever format we choose to play, have to think about the game as a whole and of the experience of recreational players

I actually do play 18mans them myself... but only because higher buying and larger field sized SNGS are not available. Like a said previously i would like the $7 45mans to be merged with the $8 180mans (but without reg infested games like the $15s)

The main reason i suggested merging the 45mans and the 18Mans was to improve the volume of "good" games across non-peak times. Obviously "good" games is a relative terms but i just think that the positives of doing this; breaks every hour, more meaningful prizes, less ICM-based folding thus more enjoyable experience for recreational players outweigh the downsides which i only see as a slightly longer running time. But again your ROI/hourly would increase when playing 27mans when compared to 18mans unless i am mistaken?

One other possibility is to simply merge the $3 and $7 45mans into $5 ones so the two player pools increase traffic to breath some new life into SNGS?
Well, 45mans and 180mans are similar game, but 18mans has unique ICM structure, thats why i hate to killing them and thats where is lot of edge. I can name tons of regs who beats mtts/180s but simply dont beat 18mans because they never got it. So my aswer is no, i would never make more on 27mans. And about breaks. 18mans are obviously closer to 9mans than 27/45s and there are no breaks at all, games are running for 45-60 minutes and not many recs will play 3 hours straight i guess. I understand your point in merging this and that field together, but given that unique ICM, its like you wanted to merge table tennis and squash. Just let 500k profit mtt regs making my living, thank you <3
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02-05-2018 , 05:03 PM
Twin Turbos? Nice name!
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02-05-2018 , 05:11 PM
100k on a 11$ Splash in a Series when we had 1$ 60k every day some years ago...

escalating antes event sounds fun though
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02-05-2018 , 10:47 PM
Luuuuuuuke....
Is there going to be a Leaderboard for the Turbo series??
With a PSPC package for the winner!!
You'll have sooooo many more players playing as many events as possible.

I do think you guys made a mistake doing away with TCOOP and switching to Turbo Series.
COOP means something to a lot of players - I started playing all the ftops & coops cause I wanted a title - then when I won one; I wanted more....I take a lot of pride in being a triple crown coop winner - making an event mean less will not attract more recs imo - events are what attracted me to play an event when I was a rec. The history of the game means a lot to poker players and COOP has a place in poker history.
Would WSOP ever change the name of their event to the Summer Heat series and remove bracelets......? Um noooo because they know thats why people come to Vegas to chase glory and history.
IMO you should be trying to make your event more meaningful not less.
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02-06-2018 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeGoLeafsGoLeah
Luuuuuuuke....
Is there going to be a Leaderboard for the Turbo series??
With a PSPC package for the winner!!
You'll have sooooo many more players playing as many events as possible.

I do think you guys made a mistake doing away with TCOOP and switching to Turbo Series.
COOP means something to a lot of players - I started playing all the ftops & coops cause I wanted a title - then when I won one; I wanted more....I take a lot of pride in being a triple crown coop winner - making an event mean less will not attract more recs imo - events are what attracted me to play an event when I was a rec. The history of the game means a lot to poker players and COOP has a place in poker history.
Would WSOP ever change the name of their event to the Summer Heat series and remove bracelets......? Um noooo because they know thats why people come to Vegas to chase glory and history.
IMO you should be trying to make your event more meaningful not less.
+1
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02-06-2018 , 06:11 AM
Hi Luke,

I've seen the schedule for the turbo series, it seems great.

My question is what is the rationale behind the size of the buy ins. I always liked having some lower buyins ($11, $22) for the series or having low medium high etc to entice lower stakes players play.
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02-06-2018 , 08:29 AM
Pokerstars down, just for me?
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02-06-2018 , 08:31 AM
Nope, Isle of Man not responding... How do you handle this situation now? I had like 10+ MTTs running, send a mail?
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02-06-2018 , 08:34 AM
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Nope, Isle of Man not responding... How do you handle this situation now? I had like 10+ MTTs running, send a mail?
I guess thats the right way to go.

Nvm, just started working again..
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02-06-2018 , 08:42 AM
Was down for like 25mins, was heads up in a PKO so lost a nice chunk of ev...
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02-06-2018 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeGoLeafsGoLeah
Luuuuuuuke....
Is there going to be a Leaderboard for the Turbo series??
With a PSPC package for the winner!!
You'll have sooooo many more players playing as many events as possible.

I do think you guys made a mistake doing away with TCOOP and switching to Turbo Series.
COOP means something to a lot of players - I started playing all the ftops & coops cause I wanted a title - then when I won one; I wanted more....I take a lot of pride in being a triple crown coop winner - making an event mean less will not attract more recs imo - events are what attracted me to play an event when I was a rec. The history of the game means a lot to poker players and COOP has a place in poker history.
Would WSOP ever change the name of their event to the Summer Heat series and remove bracelets......? Um noooo because they know thats why people come to Vegas to chase glory and history.
IMO you should be trying to make your event more meaningful not less.
100% this. And bring back the bracelets and watches you cheap ****s!
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02-06-2018 , 09:21 AM
I don't care how its called, but I looked at the schedule and did not get excited not even a littel bit. Why not at least 2-tier series? There is 1 or 2 extra MTT per day(NLH), nothing special..
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02-06-2018 , 12:37 PM
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Why not at least 2-tier series?
Maybe because 1-tier series offer much better value if you prefer higher stakes? Everyone itt pretends that multiple tiers are better, but 1-tier series might entice people to play a few tourneys above their normal buy-in level much more so than when they can choose to play the same tourney for a lower buying. Thus for mid/highstakes players this is much better. Great schedule luke
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02-06-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeGoLeafsGoLeah
Luuuuuuuke....
Is there going to be a Leaderboard for the Turbo series??
With a PSPC package for the winner!!
You'll have sooooo many more players playing as many events as possible.

I do think you guys made a mistake doing away with TCOOP and switching to Turbo Series.
COOP means something to a lot of players - I started playing all the ftops & coops cause I wanted a title - then when I won one; I wanted more....I take a lot of pride in being a triple crown coop winner - making an event mean less will not attract more recs imo - events are what attracted me to play an event when I was a rec. The history of the game means a lot to poker players and COOP has a place in poker history.
Would WSOP ever change the name of their event to the Summer Heat series and remove bracelets......? Um noooo because they know thats why people come to Vegas to chase glory and history.
IMO you should be trying to make your event more meaningful not less.
+1million

Why in the world would you take the prestige away from these events? Every single tournament is more meaningful when you have a leaderboard, not to mention prizes for each tournament winner (bracelets, watches, etc..).

As Mike mentioned above, a PSPC package for the overall winner would be a perfect opportunity to attract more players to play as many events as possible, recs and regs alike. I personally love grinding for 2-3 weeks to see how high I can get on the leaderboard and I'm sure I'm not alone.

It's a shame to see such a valued tournament series like TCOOP get removed, but even more disappointing that its replacement is a significant downgrade.

COOPs are a way of giving back to the players, and removing them will certainly hurt the overall ecosystem of Pokerstars. With the rewards system recently being changed to the dismay of many players, you would think Stars would want to reward players in other aspects to make up for significantly less rakeback, but this is another step backwards IMO. Let's hope we don't lose SCOOP/WCOOP.

Cheers, Veemer
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02-06-2018 , 04:01 PM
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Maybe because 1-tier series offer much better value if you prefer higher stakes? Everyone itt pretends that multiple tiers are better, but 1-tier series might entice people to play a few tourneys above their normal buy-in level much more so than when they can choose to play the same tourney for a lower buying. Thus for mid/highstakes players this is much better. Great schedule luke
I saw no real evidence of that in the High Roller Series last year. Same regs/ rich fish in every mtt. I think some people might play a $55 event but actually a lot less then you think. Theres a reason the special sunday storm got 142,000 and the million only got 43,000. It's the price of the buyin. If the $215 million didn't have a $10million guaranteed no way it gets even half of 43,000 imo. You ain't going to get a whole heap of people upping their buyins to play $109 turbos.

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02-06-2018 , 05:37 PM
Thought the sched seemed pretty legit. Personal opinion is $55-$215 is a great price point that attracts a large portion of the player pool. Am excited for the series to start
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02-06-2018 , 07:11 PM
I wanted to play turbo series but the buy-in are too high even for a try expecially when this is turbo and have more variance.Mby i will fire 27 $ and main 55$ but i wanted to play some more tournaments anyway i didnt expect much from stars crew...they just dont care ,im asking same question but no answers,where are many tournament which were removed and why like sanday splash 1.1r$ 7k granted ?!? and many more ....add more hypers all people in this thread is asking for them -no answer .I dont see any 6 max turbo tournaments for low stakes players in europe night schedule etc.
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02-06-2018 , 08:26 PM
playing a 6max hilow mtt. Why is there still hand for hand with 8 players left AND also with 7 left? makes zero sense?
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