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11-16-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
the phase (as many other mtts imo) is struggling because of payout so little up top for huge field/hours played, not attractive to anyone

make 33 or 55 with 30-50k for winer and see if will struggle, pretty sure it wont
Pretty much this (not in a need for a higher buyin phase myself).

Have you ever thought about MTTs struggling to reach it's guarantee because of the awful changes (that literally NOBODY likes) you did to MTT payout tables?
Even the last rec has realized by now that for example the Sunday Storm winner gets ~8k less than before.

Summary: Awful change, players hate it.
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11-16-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hapunkt
Pretty much this (not in a need for a higher buyin phase myself).

Have you ever thought about MTTs struggling to reach it's guarantee because of the awful changes (that literally NOBODY likes) you did to MTT payout tables?
Even the last rec has realized by now that for example the Sunday Storm winner gets ~8k less than before.

Summary: Awful change, players hate it.
+100
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11-16-2017 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke



There are currently no plans to change pay tables.
GRIM
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11-16-2017 , 10:07 PM
thx 4 your answer regarding a Mega Sat to the 215 Bounty Builder.
As it seems the pink Mega Sats work out really well in the schedule overall, but mostly turbo/hyper sats are offered for the Bounty Builders. So adding one well structured colored Mega Sat to each (or most) of the BB seems like a nobrainer. Double the guarantees on sunday!

I also think the reason why the Mega Sat to the Monday 6max was sometimes struggling was its small 2-3 seat guarantee. Show some heart with at least 5 seats and therefore earn more interest.
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11-17-2017 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hapunkt
Pretty much this (not in a need for a higher buyin phase myself).

Have you ever thought about MTTs struggling to reach it's guarantee because of the awful changes (that literally NOBODY likes) you did to MTT payout tables?
Even the last rec has realized by now that for example the Sunday Storm winner gets ~8k less than before.

Summary: Awful change, players hate it.
QFT
Said this before but when party did this it wrecked the mtt schedule took them a long time to recover.
exactly the same is happening now you made the same change.
Look what happened to big 109 is such a shame.

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11-17-2017 , 07:46 AM
To Luke
Thank you for adding more tourneys.I think u can add 3-4 more for next 3-4 hours of the day and add some red BountyB.But anyway u dont plan to change payouts which are disaster so mby if these tourneys which u add are low guarantee which i think there will be i personally will not play cuz of small money up top+ if im in the money i dont even make 2x buy in.There was 1 video with i dont know the bald old guy name from amaya where he said you listen to ur players but i dont think u do ,nobody wants these payouts and u will not change them ,u remove rakeback which is the most bad move for players atleast dont make everything shet ....disscuss with ur bosses that players dont like this and u lose money from that not win.And also daily marathons ends way too late i mean or make them 1 hour earlier or the first 6-10 blind structures to be 10-10-10-12-12-12 mins so they dont end in the morning next day, they still will be marathons for sure cuz again with these payouts and ending 12-15 after 13 hours is just tilting too much.
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11-17-2017 , 08:31 AM
Luke, I asked you many times about adding some micro MTTs at 19:00-21:30 CET. $4.40 Deep Stacks PKO would be good and you said you like this, but still didn't add some while you just added few MTTs after another player asked you. Can you finally add this MTT (or similar)? 19:00 CET would be nice.
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11-17-2017 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hapunkt
Pretty much this (not in a need for a higher buyin phase myself).

Have you ever thought about MTTs struggling to reach it's guarantee because of the awful changes (that literally NOBODY likes) you did to MTT payout tables?
Even the last rec has realized by now that for example the Sunday Storm winner gets ~8k less than before.

Summary: Awful change, players hate it.
The downwards spiral isn't going faster than before, and has been going on for years. Not that I like the new payouts, but you're vastly overestimating the impact, especially how much attention recs would pay to it.

Also 'struggling to reach it's guarantees' is a weird criterium. Stars could just significantly lower it's guarantees and no tournament would be failing to meet it. And that hasn't been done compared to ~1 year ago. Otherwise name me 1 tournament with a significant lower guarantee (<-20%). It's actually a good thing that Stars risks adding money occasionally.

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Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
Look what happened to big 109 is such a shame.
Big $109 Thursday 8 December 2016: 619 entrants.
Big $109 Thursday 16 November 2017: 511 entrants.

That's a 20% decline. When considering the countries that left the player pool (Australia, Colombia, Czech Republic and others) that decline is nothing special compared with the years before.

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Originally Posted by travisohc
As it seems the pink Mega Sats work out really well in the schedule overall, but mostly turbo/hyper sats are offered for the Bounty Builders. So adding one well structured colored Mega Sat to each (or most) of the BB seems like a nobrainer. Double the guarantees on sunday!
You know why the Mega sats work well? Not because people like their color, but because they seem special. Add more of them and they aren't special anymore. Only special satties to weekly tournaments is as it should be and gives them (and their target tournaments) extra value.
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11-17-2017 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Buble
The downwards spiral isn't going faster than before, and has been going on for years. Not that I like the new payouts, but you're vastly overestimating the impact, especially how much attention recs would pay to it.

Also 'struggling to reach it's guarantees' is a weird criterium. Stars could just significantly lower it's guarantees and no tournament would be failing to meet it. And that hasn't been done compared to ~1 year ago. Otherwise name me 1 tournament with a significant lower guarantee (<-20%). It's actually a good thing that Stars risks adding money occasionally.
Sory, I think you're wrong here. It's more you underestimate the impact. I think rec players DO very well get the difference between 30K and ~22K for 1st place.

An "struggling to reach it's Gtds" was a quote from Luke, that's why I used the line.

Also I don't know if I get your point here, but Gtd are lowered (even more than 20%) all the time, others may have correct numbers even to proof that.

One example? Sunday Storm 300K -> 225K

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Originally Posted by Michael Buble
You know why the Mega sats work well? Not because people like their color, but because they seem special. Add more of them and they aren't special anymore. Only special satties to weekly tournaments is as it should be and gives them (and their target tournaments) extra value.
I also think you are completely wrong here. I think they work because it's the only proper non hyper/turbo Sattys to popular MTTs you can find in the schedule. Normal regular speed tournaments with some seats gtd, that players (regs + recs) just like.
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11-17-2017 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by hapunkt
Also I don't know if I get your point here, but Gtd are lowered (even more than 20%) all the time, others may have correct numbers even to proof that.

One example? Sunday Storm 300K -> 225K
That one surely isn't correct. I agree they're lowered a bit as they have been for years. But not much.

$11 Sunday Storm, $250K Gtd 24 Oktober 2016
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11-17-2017 , 10:20 AM
Probably it was already 250K back in October 2016, but what is it with the 1 year period anyway. The Sunday Storm used to be 300K, now it is way less. And after the recent payout changes there is even less for 1st.
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11-17-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by travisohc
thx 4 your answer regarding a Mega Sat to the 215 Bounty Builder.
As it seems the pink Mega Sats work out really well in the schedule overall, but mostly turbo/hyper sats are offered for the Bounty Builders. So adding one well structured colored Mega Sat to each (or most) of the BB seems like a nobrainer. Double the guarantees on sunday!

I also think the reason why the Mega Sat to the Monday 6max was sometimes struggling was its small 2-3 seat guarantee. Show some heart with at least 5 seats and therefore earn more interest.
The pink mega sats work well because of the structure and the fact that there are still people in this world that want to play poker and not hyper flip festivals.

Maybe amaya could get there head out of there ass and realize poker stars is a poker site
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11-17-2017 , 12:30 PM
Can you add a daily 530 mega sat to the 10k pko highroller that goes nov 30th asap
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11-17-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by darkgrass
The pink mega sats work well because of the structure and the fact that there are still people in this world that want to play poker and not hyper flip festivals.

Maybe amaya could get there head out of there ass and realize poker stars is a poker site
There clearly is a market for it, the Mini Marathon is proof of that, it's the antithesis of everything Amaya claims recs want and yet it crushed it's guarantee and is already "organically" up to 18K and capped out at 10,000 players on Sunday.

I think Amaya has done this wrong, not by bringing in all the rec nonsense type games and promotions, but by acting like it has to be a zero sum game. You are a massive site with huge resources, why not appeal to both? Why not have a tiered rakeback system AND chests, then players can either opt in to one or the other or based on their selected games get automatically placed?

Why not have a proper MTT schedule for real players (both pros, regs and recs alike who enjoy real poker) and run a schedule/games aimed at more fun type players? Simply offering games that appeal to a variety but at the volume that doesn't make it feel like we have to choose between a decent tourney (with a crap payout) OR some flashy, casino type game... why can't you just offer both? If the goal is to increase the bottom line, then having both pools on your platform seems like it would be the best for that. And truthfully you could get away with higher rakes and lightly reduced volume-based rakeback if you were offering an awesome schedule of MTTs with the already excellent software you have.
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11-17-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hapunkt
Probably it was already 250K back in October 2016, but what is it with the 1 year period anyway. The Sunday Storm used to be 300K, now it is way less. And after the recent payout changes there is even less for 1st.
All true, it was $500K even. All that I was saying is that the $225K guarantee for the Storm (or any other tournament) isn't an indication that the new payouts have a big impact on the # of players; players have been leaving Stars for years and that has little to do with a recent change.
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11-17-2017 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by satellite84
I think Amaya has done this wrong, not by bringing in all the rec nonsense type games and promotions, but by acting like it has to be a zero sum game. You are a massive site with huge resources, why not appeal to both? Why not have a tiered rakeback system AND chests, then players can either opt in to one or the other or based on their selected games get automatically placed?

Why not have a proper MTT schedule for real players (both pros, regs and recs alike who enjoy real poker) and run a schedule/games aimed at more fun type players? Simply offering games that appeal to a variety but at the volume that doesn't make it feel like we have to choose between a decent tourney (with a crap payout) OR some flashy, casino type game... why can't you just offer both? If the goal is to increase the bottom line, then having both pools on your platform seems like it would be the best for that. And truthfully you could get away with higher rakes and lightly reduced volume-based rakeback if you were offering an awesome schedule of MTTs with the already excellent software you have.
There's a very easy answer for that. A greedy company looking to milk its customers doesn't want them to choose, they want to decide themselves what they are going to play and do on the site. This is not a company that wants to offer a best product/service for a customer and persuade them that way.
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11-17-2017 , 04:04 PM
1$ 3x Turbo at 14.15 ET down to 4k gtd. so fin poor.
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11-17-2017 , 05:21 PM
Will PCA sats still be running December 2-3? What about Prague sats? Support hasn't been helpful when I emailed.

Last edited by TomfooleryU; 11-17-2017 at 05:31 PM.
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11-18-2017 , 06:10 PM
Stars glitchy as **** for anyone else?
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11-18-2017 , 06:11 PM
Yup. 20% sitting out across 8 tables.
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11-18-2017 , 06:14 PM
FFS... Locked out and can't get back in
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11-18-2017 , 06:51 PM
UPDATE: Got back in... Wish I'd stayed locked out.
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11-19-2017 , 04:51 AM
I lost turbo FT beacuse of disconnect
Thanks pokerstars
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11-19-2017 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Snake-glory
That was my prediction and I was pretty sure, but I was wrong while that guy claimed that I didn't play before synced breaks. He can't know if I played or not.
Nevermind buddy, maybe I am an idiot and you all are smart.

P.S.: Guys, I know how to prepare... I am preparing my food in advance. My point was that I need a bit longer breaks that's all. I didn't say I don't have a time for eating some food. I just said that I need a bit longer breaks.
You don't like the idea? Great, don't like it. Dunno why you trying to teach me how to prepare. I play MTT poker 4 years in a row and of course I know how to prepare and how to eat within my session.

Don't worry folks, Luke said no and you can continue to enjoy the 5 min breaks.
I dont like to name call but you really do come across like a d*ck. You cant handle the fact that nobody agrees with you and your idea was a ridiculous one. If you need longer breaks play cash instead.
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11-19-2017 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
1$ 3x Turbo at 14.15 ET down to 4k gtd. so fin poor.
This is so depressing. Used to be one of my faves and now i dont even play it
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