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Originally Posted by mashxx
edit: most important point you're missing that you talk about how 3x reentry strategy is not much different from 1x and 3x is clearly better than 1x and ensures the gtd. In other posts by Pokerstars reps it seems you guys acknowledge that majority of your players is micro/lowstake and not playing much. I'm myself around $25-$30 ABI in the past year I am playing most special freezeout $215s throughout thee year, however if it's a reentry or anything else I will most likely skip it, even if it's 2mln gtd. My problem is that it maybe a problem of many and therefore a lot of players that would pull the trigger and play SM anyway they'll decide to skip it worrying that they won't be able to reentry if they bust and stronger players will have that advantage.
I think the opposite is true--that more players will re-enter due to the scope of the tournament. If this was the normal Sunday Million, I think players would be more cautious, but this isn't a normal Sunday Million. It is 10 Sunday Millions in one!
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Originally Posted by playr
hey Luke, thanks for answering. yeah im aware of the daylight savings thats why i know how better the schedule is when daylight savings are happening. just look at the posts in every years's MTT discussion threads during DST, everyone wants it to last forever. US is out, the main ppool is in europe, the best mtts are just starts too late. i think this is something you could consider when working on the new schedule.
also any hint on the new sch,,,and, when it will happen?
Thanks for the feedback. I don't know when the new schedule will be ready. I'm actively working on it and continually receiving outside feedback. I hope it will be worth the wait.
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Originally Posted by Spoli4tor
What do you guys think about putting the approximate finishing time for tournaments in the lobbies?
Could that possibly make it easier for all players to play more cause they know what they can or cannot play regardless of appointments? Maybe esp. for rec players since they are the ones whose lifes are not centered around poker and could incline them to play more?
I'm not sure that this would have the desired effect. Players may be scared off by a long advertised tournament length initially, but had they played, would've enjoyed the excitement of going deep in the tournament. They also may not make the connection that 85% of the time their experience will be a few hours long at the most.
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Originally Posted by MintberryC
Either one of those BI's seems like a fine idea, but I see no need to remove the 11$ for that (Luke, please don't remove the 11$ )
One way to make the phase more succesful would be having even less people advance to phase2 from every phase1, making more people register the tournament for several phase 1s throughout the week, although this might mean you have to have a smaller percentage of the field finishing ITM.
Also, not being a pro, I mostly only play phase1 on sundays and sometimes saturdays, because I don't grind every sunday and I don't wanna be forced to play because I already qualified on monday or tuesday for instance. I can imagine more funplayers feel this way, so maybe more phase 1s on sunday close to the tournament (could make these "hyper-turbo last chance" or something) to attract more players to the tournament on the day phase2 takes place could grow the tournament.
I think 10% is already pushing it. It is likely that I change the start time of the Phase 2 on Sundays to be a bit later. This will allow for another Phase 1 and will encourage players to play Phase 1s since the Phase 2 will start in the middle of peak time on Sunday. I may implement a new Phase before the rest of the new schedule since this tournament is struggling a bit.
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Originally Posted by Gilmour
I guess its fine, but not very important change in my opinion. Most guys playing these days have a pretty good idea of how long a tournament gonna last anyway.
What i do really like is the lobby showing the actual prizepools in the spesific tourney. When you see that a tourney is smashing the guarantee its so much easier to reg the tournament and play it
For example 11$ 6 K guarantted- now 8,9 K.
Very nice addition with the dynamic prizepools illustrations.
Settings -> Lobby -> Lobby Display -> Enable Alternative Tournament List Layout
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Originally Posted by nord96
Please consider addding a 1k$ 1mill grt last sunday of every month. That Sunday, all the guarantees will be smashed.
I've said before, but I'm open to the idea of occasional tournaments like this during promotional and live event lulls. It is something for the future though, not now.
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Absolutely agree - NO NEED to remove the $11 (make the GTD smaller by all means but do not remove it)
Adding a $55, $109 or w/e is a no brainer but doing that at the expense of the $11 is just cutting your nose off to spite your face.
I'm not going to have more than one Phase buy-in per week. It would make the lobby a mess IMO.
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Originally Posted by blakkman08
Yea the third is nonsense if you implement the medium as they will eat each other up. The thing about cutting the 11 guarantee by half and adding a 55 is that they both would be ****ty timbeys. I think if you took the 11 and tripled the buyin you would prob get a 200k prize pool on a 100k guarantee for months to come. I for one have not played a single phase this year as its out of my buyin range.
This is the question--whether or not to increase the buy-in of the one we have, not whether or not we're going to add more Phase tournaments.
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
It's in my buyin range and I don't play it. I just don't see it as that fun of a tournament. Phases didn't work on FTP well either.
I see Phase as a niche product for the main schedule and as an important component to a series. I don't think we need to have a $250K guarantee on a weekly Phase to consider it a valuable product.
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Originally Posted by jayme87
luke please put this forward to the developing team, make the bounty numbers appear in the client replay for the thursday thrill ect, fun players love to see the big numbers and will make watching the finals alot more interesting for people as well , i know its been said before but with bounty builders taking over they need to have the bounty $ inserted in the HH, players love to work on their game and without it we cant really look at spots so clear too, win win situation for us here, make it happen asap!
Thanks, I will add this to our development wish list, though I cannot promise it will be prioritized in the near future.
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
Biggest problem with phase tournaments is the final Sunday phase 1s are soooo much more +EV than the earlier phases that it's a huge disincentive to play the early ones. Ideally all phase 1s would have close to the same size fields and average skill levels, but that's just never happening unless the phase 1s are restricted or capped, which in turn seems a terrible idea.
I'd be surprised if raising the buyin from $11 led to an increase in participation if the format remains the same, but I've no more positive suggestions to offer tbh. I think phased tournaments are great fun but they probably belong in the occasional / special category rather than as part of the regular everyday schedule.
Thanks for the feedback. I don't consider it an issue if only 100 players play Phase 1 on Monday. There is no reason to think that participation on a Monday would equal that of a Sunday. Some people simply can't plan that far ahead of time. Those five days add a few thousand players to the total field each week, though.
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Originally Posted by schmette
@:Schedule: I think the schedule is improving, BB where a good thing, now they need to bring some more of those gimmic games and change the structures (Bigs & Hots).
Thanks.
Fun fact: Bounty Builders is still growing.
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Originally Posted by roscoe91
so, since a lot of gtd's suffer from times to times, why bother lowering them and not just make everything a re-entry? bigs/hots/storm/kickoff you name it.
i mean, why not?
I actually think re-entry is a valuable tool at times of low liquidity. For instance, if you have two $100 freezeouts, one at 14:00 and one at 00:00 ET, the 14:00 one has a much higher amount of unique players available to play and will garner a respectable prize pool. The 00:00 on the other hand, may only have 100 potential unique players, which would results in a small guarantee. If you made the 00:00 tournament re-entry, you now have 100 unique players who can contribute 200 entries. This tournament could have a higher guarantee and has a better chance of attracting new players.
It is a matter of theory vs. practice, though.
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Originally Posted by roscoe91
about phase, i never play it midweek cause i don't know if i'm playing on sunday, so i uncheck phase at the filter and sometimes end up missing it because of this.
also, with the last phase 1 late registration ending at 10:45 ET i sometimes miss it cause i haven't logged in yet.
imo it will die out if you raise it too much
Yep, the plan is to move Phase 2 to 14:25 which will allow for an additional Phase 1.
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
Luke,
I based my statement on what is realistically possible. 50k players is possible but not if Pokerstars wants to increase margins in satellites compared to prior years.
Right now there are no satellites in the lobby except 1 dollar 4x shootouts. That isn't going to cut it.
And what is your statement based on? The above statement is contrary to the intuition of everyone on our team and the overall trend of $215 buy-ins. I'm genuinely curious what assumptions you've made to reach this conclusion.
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Originally Posted by travisohc
phase mtt higher than 22$ would not work imo
i like the idea of adding a hyper phase last chance and adding some on early sundays and maybe saturdays
Phase tournaments all need to have the same buy-in + rake. This would result in hypers being raked at 10%, which is why I haven't deployed any.
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Originally Posted by Yenomez
Just make the phase a $22 trny.
Add mini weekender on Saturday for $82. (No garuntee needed even first time just a nice color will do.
Weekly 1K you said you were open to it. Remove s500 ( or keep??) add weekly 1K 2 hours before s500 starts. Put 3 deadline pink satties to it and watch it boom.
Please please please, yes mini declined some but the demand is there. Please just give the other minis.
Seriously people complain about start garuntee but start them low and build them.
Storm gets overlay because 30K 10% of them r too dumb to realize how good storm is too play. . Make it 1x rentry the day Sunday is 3x reentry and see it boom.
Mini weekender on Saturday. $82 is perfect
Mini rebuy is must. The same trny ran later 11r Sunday edition and gets half the people of Sunday mini rebuy did.
Mini warmup is obv free $ and take
Mini thrill 109$
Mini Tuesday 109$.
People just want to be a part of something and play anything in big colors.
There is no mini Sunday Rebuy because I'm not sure what I'm doing with the Sunday Rebuy in the new schedule. There is no mini Sunday Warm-Up because it is planned to become the Double Deuce. There is no mini Weekender because the buy-in of the tournament is likely to be reduced in the new schedule.
I know this is hard to swallow, but there's valid reasons that I do not add tournaments to the schedule at regular intervals. I am trying to plan for the future and provide the best experience possible.
Lastly, please keep vitriol out of this thread. All it will do is derail the conversation and make it less likely I respond to your posts.
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
Obviously the EV if measured by a pure dollar standpoint is the same.
But who is going to be the players that re-enter this tourney? If it was proportionally bad players and good players in comparison to the original starting field then it makes no difference. The reality is there will be a much higher percentage of good players firing multiple bullets compared to bad players.
Well, as a percentage, of course. On average, regular players will have a higher tolerance for risk. In this one off instance, the regular players will be massively outnumbered.
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Originally Posted by CaliStyle
What is the time frame for rolling out the new schedule?
This is the magic question. It is difficult to estimate because I'm currently in the planning stages. I need to plan the majors, red brands, non-red guarantees, non-NLHE, satellites, Time tournaments, Phase, and so on.
Imagine having three Lego sets, pouring them onto the floor, and then having to put them together with no instructions. That's how it feels!
Once the planning stage is completed, I will have a much better idea of when it will be released.
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Originally Posted by jaggalo1231
Luke seems u've been ignoring my question, so for the last time:
what are u gonna do about 55 deep stacks, 55ko, 55reentry etc?
time frame?
thx!
It is increasingly likely that I just incorporate changes into the new schedule. I apologize because this contradicts what I said earlier, but it is in everyone's best interest if my sole focus is on planning the new schedule.
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Originally Posted by nassy44
can you bring back those random turbo nights? <3
They were never random! They happen during restart nights because we need to have all tournaments finished by the time maintenance is to begin.
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Originally Posted by TrustySam
Not sure how similar what seems like fun to me is to what others might find fun, or how it matches up with PS' interests, but thanks PS Luke for inviting us to post our thoughts
Thanks for chiming in! Micro-stakes players will likely benefit the most from the new schedule.
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Originally Posted by fivetypes
The 530 could stay as some sort of phase/multiple day 1. Call it something different and run the two phase 1's on a Tuesday and Thursday when more HS players are on and keep the target on Sunday.
This is an innovative idea. I'm not sure how it would pan out in practice but I'll give it some thought.