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08-28-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by INyaDOME
The average depositor only deposits $20 at a time.

Let's compare the big MTT options for these players in 2009-2010 versus 2016...

Pokerstars 2009-2010:

$3 rebuy $45k Guaranteed at 11:00 Central Time

$5 rebuy $45k Guaranteed at 11:00 Central Time

$10 rebuy $45k Guaranteed at 11:00 Central Time

$3 rebuy $45k Guaranteed at 6:00 Central Time

$5 rebuy $45k Guaranteed at 6:00 Central Time

$10 rebuy $45 Guaranteed at 6:00 Central Time



Now, let's check the amazing comparable options daily for the average player in 2016:

$10 buy in $60k Guaranteed




It's pretty clear what's wrong with the schedule. The old MTT schedule gave players with smaller bankrolls more of an opportunity to significantly increase their bankrolls while simultaneously allowing MTT players with larger rolls more sustainability by giving them a larger number of MTT options with smaller buy ins and large prize pools.

Even successful MTT players in 2016 will be hit harder by variance because they're investing $55-100 to win a $45k GT versus spending $3-10 to win the same amount in 2009-2010.

The only group of people in the world to blame for tanking the poker ecosystem at this point, are the tournament directors at Pokerstars....
I don't agree with you. There is more than just 1 tournament. Actually, there is a lot of good MTTs for those players.
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08-28-2016 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Snake-glory
I don't agree with you. There is more than just 1 tournament. Actually, there is a lot of good MTTs for those players.
I agree. Most players depositing $20 at a time would play $0.50 - $2 BI tournaments.
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08-29-2016 , 05:48 AM
I hope too for more Micro-Reg-Speed Rebuy Tounements. I can play one at 10.20MEZ, then the next starts at 18.35MEZ.... I miss the 2R1A....
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08-29-2016 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Solncev
I agree. Most players depositing $20 at a time would play $0.50 - $2 BI tournaments.
No, they would play $3-10 rebuy $40K Gts, as well...like they did in 2009-2010.

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Originally Posted by Snake-glory
I don't agree with you. There is more than just 1 tournament. Actually, there is a lot of good MTTs for those players.
Key word "good," but there are nowhere near the amount of great options in the $3-10 buy in range for $40K Gts with 5 figure upswing potential as there were in 2009-2010.

It's basically ONE Daily Big of $40K Gt for $10 buy in now in 2016 versus SIX $40K Gts in 2009-2010 daily. Those rebuys in 2009-2010 easily hit $50-60K daily while hitting a $100K on the weekends. That was SIX a day....every day of the week...365.

So....$40K Gt's for $10, or less..

2009-2010 = 2190

2016 = 365

Pretty flat schedule for the min depositor (95% of the poker playing population), imo.

Last edited by INyaDOME; 08-29-2016 at 09:21 AM.
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08-29-2016 , 09:25 AM
They can still have 3 digit upswings with current offering.
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08-29-2016 , 09:48 AM
If anyone was like me when I was a rec --- I would deposit 100-200$ in the evening and play like a 20-50$ 9man, and 20-50$ MTT, a couple $11 180 mans, maybe a random satellite. I would do this a couple nights a week , or if I ran up a roll I'd play more nights
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08-29-2016 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
They can still have 3 digit upswings with current offering.
Indeed. Break even if they're lucky and never cash out.

The Amaya Dream Schedule...
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08-29-2016 , 12:27 PM
Any way to filter out bubble rush tournaments?
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08-29-2016 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by INyaDOME
No, they would play $3-10 rebuy $40K Gts, as well...like they did in 2009-2010.



Key word "good," but there are nowhere near the amount of great options in the $3-10 buy in range for $40K Gts with 5 figure upswing potential as there were in 2009-2010.

It's basically ONE Daily Big of $40K Gt for $10 buy in now in 2016 versus SIX $40K Gts in 2009-2010 daily. Those rebuys in 2009-2010 easily hit $50-60K daily while hitting a $100K on the weekends. That was SIX a day....every day of the week...365.

So....$40K Gt's for $10, or less..

2009-2010 = 2190

2016 = 365

Pretty flat schedule for the min depositor (95% of the poker playing population), imo.
I mean we all want 2009 back, but there just isn't the player base to support the same schedule as back then. I'm not saying the schedule is perfect as it is by any means, but asking to have guarantees like 2009 is unreasonable. Maybe if the US, spain, italy, france etc etc all come back to a global site.
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08-29-2016 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by the_bridler
Any way to filter out bubble rush tournaments?
I think "-bubble" should work and not filter out anything else.
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08-29-2016 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
I mean we all want 2009 back, but there just isn't the player base to support the same schedule as back then. I'm not saying the schedule is perfect as it is by any means, but asking to have guarantees like 2009 is unreasonable. Maybe if the US, spain, italy, france etc etc all come back to a global site.
2009 = $45K GT $10 buy in

2016 = $40K GT $10 buy in

I'm not asking for the same guarantees. The site already hits the same guarantee on a daily basis. If you bothered reading my posts you would've seen that. I'm merely asking for a higher volume of them.

The Spring Championship of Online Poker broke all previous records this year, as well. So, posts like yours make no sense. The numbers are clearly there when the site is breaking MTT records.
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08-29-2016 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by the_bridler
Any way to filter out bubble rush tournaments?
just go for -women -bubble as a standard search
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08-29-2016 , 04:44 PM
More hypers great job you bunch of hag ravens. just when I tell you that you don't stink so bad- you take a big rancid ****, splattered all over the schedule.
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08-29-2016 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
just go for -women -bubble as a standard search
I got "-women -splash -timebomb -bubble", anyone got anything useful to add?
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08-29-2016 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by INyaDOME
2009 = $45K GT $10 buy in

2016 = $40K GT $10 buy in

I'm not asking for the same guarantees. The site already hits the same guarantee on a daily basis. If you bothered reading my posts you would've seen that. I'm merely asking for a higher volume of them.

The Spring Championship of Online Poker broke all previous records this year, as well. So, posts like yours make no sense. The numbers are clearly there when the site is breaking MTT records.
Yeah they put more events in so the total prize pool would break records. Also, the way scoop series behave isn't necessarily the same as the way daily mtts behave. Of course they can still have one large guarantee, but that doesn't mean 6 of the same tournament is supportable as well. I agree that there's a lack of standard freezeout and/or low stakes rebuys in the schedule, but I don't think the player base is remotely there to have 5+ 40k+ guarantees with buyins 10$ or less.
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08-29-2016 , 05:53 PM
you can untick time in the filters so you don't need to type it out :x
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08-29-2016 , 07:53 PM
Can someone tell me around when exactly did stars change the tournament schedule? My favorite tournaments were the $11 hot, $16.50 hot and the $1.10 rebuy 3x which was 60k guarantee then went to 40k guarantee. The 40k guarantee was still very nice. Now they only offer the $11 hot.


And yea for those people who like to play a low stakes mtt schedule where buyin is up to 33 dollars... are there really much options? You have the hots, bigs , bounty etc. But besides that, there are other 7.50 and 11 tournaments but the guarantee is so small.


Also does anyone here have a posted schedule of how a stars daily tourney schedule look like before these changes? I recalled there was the big 8 etc and they even had 3.30 rebuys with 10k and 15k guarantees.
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08-29-2016 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
I mean we all want 2009 back, but there just isn't the player base to support the same schedule as back then. I'm not saying the schedule is perfect as it is by any means, but asking to have guarantees like 2009 is unreasonable. Maybe if the US, spain, italy, france etc etc all come back to a global site.
I'm not so sure about this.
I'd like to see the total number of MTT's offered in a day (daily schedule) of 2009-10 and the current one of 2016.

I could be wrong but I have the feeling that there are far more tourneys being run today in the daily schedule. If that's the case then rec players are spread out more and even multi tabling regs have to skip some MTT's as they've gone over their cap. All this does is reduce the average guarantee for any single MTT but it drives up the total guarantees based purely on volume. In essence each MTT today has less value.
Obviously I'm not sure but I am curious.
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08-30-2016 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
Can someone tell me around when exactly did stars change the tournament schedule? My favorite tournaments were the $11 hot, $16.50 hot and the $1.10 rebuy 3x which was 60k guarantee then went to 40k guarantee. The 40k guarantee was still very nice. Now they only offer the $11 hot.


And yea for those people who like to play a low stakes mtt schedule where buyin is up to 33 dollars... are there really much options? You have the hots, bigs , bounty etc. But besides that, there are other 7.50 and 11 tournaments but the guarantee is so small.


Also does anyone here have a posted schedule of how a stars daily tourney schedule look like before these changes? I recalled there was the big 8 etc and they even had 3.30 rebuys with 10k and 15k guarantees.
Dating back to February, the peaktime schedule for low/midstakes looked like this.

$8.80+R 10k
$22 20k SKO
$11 4k 8-max
Big $8.80 30k
$27 12k turbo KO
$5.50 2R1A 6k
$13.50 10k KO
$5.10 4k hyper-turbo
$8.80 6k 6-max turbo
$5.50 3k
$8.80 1R1A 10k
$2.20+R 2x-turbo 8k
Big $22 45k
$27 30k turbo PSKO
$8.80 4k
$11 1R1A 10k
Hot $11 35k
$5.40 10k turbo KO
$4.40 18k PSKO
$22 10k
$11 6k
Hot $16.50 40k
$11 4k Deep Stacks
$5.50 3.5k Deep Stacks
$5.10 5k hyper-turbo
$22 20k 6-max PSKO
Big $11 50k
$8.80 10k 6-max turbo
$1.10+R 3x-turbo 35k
$5.50 1R1A 5k
$13.50 15k KO
$5.10 5k hyper-turbo
$3.30+R 8k
$5.50 8k turbo
$7.50 25k Bounty Builder
$11 10k
$3.30+R 2x-turbo 15k
$5.50 3k
$5.50 2R1A 5k
$11 3.5k
$16.50 20k turbo
$8.80 4k
$5.10 7k hyper-turbo
$7.50 7k turbo
$27 30k 6-max turbo PSKO
$5.10 5k hyper-turbo
$10.50 15k SKO
Hot $7.50 20k
$11 25k turbo PSKO
$11 8k turbo
$4.40 12k turbo PSKO
$11 3k only FT paid turbo
$27 15k turbo KO

Obviously missing some.
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08-30-2016 , 04:17 AM
I miss "the biggers" soooo much on sundays
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08-30-2016 , 09:03 AM
Removing the Sunday tags was one of the dumbest moves they ever made. Literally zero upside and all sorts of possible downs.
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08-30-2016 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Powerful4U
Dating back to February, the peaktime schedule for low/midstakes looked like this.

$8.80+R 10k
$22 20k SKO
$11 4k 8-max
Big $8.80 30k
$27 12k turbo KO
$5.50 2R1A 6k
$13.50 10k KO
$5.10 4k hyper-turbo
$8.80 6k 6-max turbo
$5.50 3k
$8.80 1R1A 10k
$2.20+R 2x-turbo 8k
Big $22 45k
$27 30k turbo PSKO
$8.80 4k
$11 1R1A 10k
Hot $11 35k
$5.40 10k turbo KO
$4.40 18k PSKO
$22 10k
$11 6k
Hot $16.50 40k
$11 4k Deep Stacks
$5.50 3.5k Deep Stacks
$5.10 5k hyper-turbo
$22 20k 6-max PSKO
Big $11 50k
$8.80 10k 6-max turbo
$1.10+R 3x-turbo 35k
$5.50 1R1A 5k
$13.50 15k KO
$5.10 5k hyper-turbo
$3.30+R 8k
$5.50 8k turbo
$7.50 25k Bounty Builder
$11 10k
$3.30+R 2x-turbo 15k
$5.50 3k
$5.50 2R1A 5k
$11 3.5k
$16.50 20k turbo
$8.80 4k
$5.10 7k hyper-turbo
$7.50 7k turbo
$27 30k 6-max turbo PSKO
$5.10 5k hyper-turbo
$10.50 15k SKO
Hot $7.50 20k
$11 25k turbo PSKO
$11 8k turbo
$4.40 12k turbo PSKO
$11 3k only FT paid turbo
$27 15k turbo KO

Obviously missing some.

lots of decent good tournie that smashed gtd gone cos of greedy amaya #RIP
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08-30-2016 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
Can someone tell me around when exactly did stars change the tournament schedule?
if only this information were contained within the thread title
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08-30-2016 , 02:48 PM
^ bang bang
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08-30-2016 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Powerful4U
Dating back to February, the peaktime schedule for low/midstakes looked like this.



$8.80+R 10k

$22 20k SKO

$11 4k 8-max

Big $8.80 30k

$27 12k turbo KO

$5.50 2R1A 6k

$13.50 10k KO

$5.10 4k hyper-turbo

$8.80 6k 6-max turbo

$5.50 3k

$8.80 1R1A 10k

$2.20+R 2x-turbo 8k

Big $22 45k

$27 30k turbo PSKO

$8.80 4k

$11 1R1A 10k

Hot $11 35k

$5.40 10k turbo KO

$4.40 18k PSKO

$22 10k

$11 6k

Hot $16.50 40k

$11 4k Deep Stacks

$5.50 3.5k Deep Stacks

$5.10 5k hyper-turbo

$22 20k 6-max PSKO

Big $11 50k

$8.80 10k 6-max turbo

$1.10+R 3x-turbo 35k

$5.50 1R1A 5k

$13.50 15k KO

$5.10 5k hyper-turbo

$3.30+R 8k

$5.50 8k turbo

$7.50 25k Bounty Builder

$11 10k

$3.30+R 2x-turbo 15k

$5.50 3k

$5.50 2R1A 5k

$11 3.5k

$16.50 20k turbo

$8.80 4k

$5.10 7k hyper-turbo

$7.50 7k turbo

$27 30k 6-max turbo PSKO

$5.10 5k hyper-turbo

$10.50 15k SKO

Hot $7.50 20k

$11 25k turbo PSKO

$11 8k turbo

$4.40 12k turbo PSKO

$11 3k only FT paid turbo

$27 15k turbo KO



Obviously missing some.


that was the goat sched add some bountys in and you got the real deal back (non raked reebs) the 3r and 5r and 8,11,22c were all mtts i deposited to play they were always beefy up top and had nice strucs, now if i had to deposit id play the 109bb and some sun mtts thats it, so bad to see the terrible sched offerings
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