Is there any chance of getting 7 handed FTs for 6 handed games? Having one table 3 handed and the other 4 handed when there are 7 players left doesn't seem right, particularly in hypers and turbos with much lower average chip stacks.

I'm not even really bothered by the 1.55$ mincash as much, but the 2.17$ (not even 2x) for getting 242-189th out of 3408 players is really really bad.

ED- numbers changed a bit after late reg ended that's why you can't see in the picture what I'm talking about, I looked it up in the lobby.

Yeah, that's why some of my calculations are out in previous posts haha.

I think your right, the bottom 5 brackets are really thin actually, currently $1.55, $1.60, $1.66, $1.72, $2.17 for a $1.10 buy in is very thin but it does make it hard when there's 3408 people in the tourney however it's a very top heavy payout structure.

This is because PS want to pay more players. It keeps them on the site longer. The min/max cash was higher before the change because the %ITM was lower. PS is not going to go back to it because it doesn't help them in the long term.

That being said I agree, playing for 1.5x your buy-in is not fun at all. I playing in one of the SCOOP events where the pay jumps were greater just after the bubble compared to half way through ITM so I guess they're trying every way to get around it.

fix pay outs and this thread will stop askin stuff uve done ur job EXEPT for this continualy asked by recs and regs (all about the recs remember) everyone wants it man legoooo

good job on most other things tho some
tweaking and ur nearly as good as party poker

I've seen often that around 15% of the players are currently paid. This did not change much , and it was also often around 14 or 15% before the new payout structure.

I think what has changed the most, and the reason why both the first itm and the first place get less money is because in between them, say from place 3 to 50 in a field where 1000 players took part with 150 paid (15%), it went higher.

It changed much more than just adding 1 or 2 % of people paid, the whole structure was redesigned - for the worse. Maybe it's just places 2-9 that get more than before but what is sure is that not only the min cash is much smaller, the first place is also smaller. Yet, almost the same %, sometimes even the exact same as before, get paid.

Weird huh ? Has to mean it mostly concerns the middle itm places imo.

Does anyone have a copy of an old Big paytable? It would be easier to compare if we did.

Just go on pocketfives and find a big tournament summary page from before the changes. ~

big 22 from about 2 yrs ago

3845 players , 495 paid (12.87%) 76.9k prize pool , $35.37 mincash

1st place 12074.65 = 15.7%
2nd place 8997.3 = 11.7%
3rd place 6344.25 = 8.25%
4th place 4421.75 = 5.75%
5th place 3268.25 = 4.25%
6th place 2499.25 = 3.25%
7th place 1730.25 = 2.25%
8th place 961.25 = 1.25%
9th place 615.20 = 0.8%

Total money @ ft = 53.2% -> $40910.8

Yesterday's big 22
3293 players , 521 paid (15.82%) , 65860 prizepool , $31.09 mincash
1st place = 9117.37 (13.84%)
2nd = 10.05%
3rd = 7.3%
4th = 5.3%
5th = 3.85%
6th = 2.8%
7th = 2%
8th = 1.48%
9th = 1.07%
Total money @ ft = 47.73% -> $31435 ~

Agreed, this is the part that bugs me the most.

@Doggz, with regards to your reply to my post (too lazy to go back to quote it), I agree with what you said as well. It is tough to balance the size of the bottom payments with the size of the top payments. Like most other things in this thread, people are going to disagree about which is more important depending on which games they play.

I play micro MTTs in the 0 - $5 range at the moment because I suck at poker and have no bankroll online. For me, the bigger tournaments have 6k+ runners. I am not going to be final-tabling that very often (and by that I mean hardly ever, if at all). Because of that, I don't care about the payouts up top. I know they are big enough that when I get there I'll be taken care of. But for the rest of the time, when I finish between 100 - 600, I want to make enough money back where I can afford to play the same tournament again and have more than I started with.

These issues existed even before the payouts changed (and they needed to be fixed then as well), but it seemed worse the larger the tournament got. A $7.70 PLHE tournament that used to get only 36 or so runners would have $20+ for a min-cash. A $3.30 NLHE with 400 runners would have a $6+ min-cash. Yet a $3.30 with 3k+ runners would have a sub-$4 min-cash.

oops, wrong maths will post later

cliffs: significantly less money at the top 3 spots taking alot of money away from deal making at tough FTs

This is from Dec'15

dat humblebrag though

The new 7.50 $3.5k GTD at 12.20 ET has a superior structure to the big 22.

After 6 hours of play blinds in the $7.50 are 7/14k and in the big 22 10/20k. Seems you used the old big structure sheet on all these new bowl non reds. The new one isnt a improvement and i assume reds mtts should have a better playing experience than regular games.

Different starting stacks iirc

By that logic lets make 10man FTs.... its mega bad system. Older payouts were far better

SCOOP 10 M and L are frozing after all hands.

All tourneys freezing and coming back after couple of seconds. Blinds going up at normal pace. super tilting.

its actually a great improvement.epts have been using that system for couple years now, so it was time to make those structures available online also

Structure of bigs seems worse?

Can we get the $4.40, $3.30 pskos and the $2.70kos back, they got at least 5k entries every day and i ft'd them :-P

There seems
To be serious lag affecting the low Super Tuesday scoop

It's actually pretty horrendous

The lag has been implemented probably to combat payout structures criticism and slow gtd adjustments. Keep in mind lags usually end with a success story.

I'm playing the $11 scoop and there's a 1-2 minute pause after every hand. What the fu.ck has this site become, lol.

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