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05-02-2016 , 02:08 PM
Hi Luke, here is my suggestions:

1. Make reg speed MTTs 10 min blinds.
2. Change Bigs structures. Make it slower like many people here said.
3. Add more reg speed MTTs at micro level ($2.20-$4.40), because we have only 2 at 19:00-00:00 CET.
4. Add more omaha reg speed MTTs at 19:00-00:00 CET. $2.20-$4.40.

P.S.: Bring back MicroMillions.
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05-02-2016 , 02:15 PM
yh init, bounties are ****ing **** games death to amaya scumbags give me 5 minutes with the mother****ers
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05-02-2016 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatsMySpot
I'm a microstake recreational MTTer. Supposedly, all those changes target players like me.

I used to play:
$2-$9 Freeze outs
$1-$4 rebuys/quads
$2-$9 Bigs/Bounty Builders
$1-$4 turbos

I have only cut the turbos, because I refuse to play a hyper (4 min level) with 10% rake.

This is what I can grind this days, including "deeps", bigs, bbs, rebuys and freeze outs

http://imgur.com/sjURoBx

GG Amaya
Same.

I know this is meaningless, because a million people here say it. But with 100% sincerity, this is the first time in 5 years of being a rec MTT'er on Stars that I'm seriously going to consider firing up the Party Poker and 888 clients over the weekend and make some deposits. For a while I mostly quit playing and tried DFS, which is where I've been the last couple years.

And yeah, I know that doesn't mean anything to Stars or Luke. They're catering to who they want to cater to. But as I said in another thread, they're clearly losing the regs, and now they're pissing off the rec players. Is Stars target market seriously just SpinNGo's and knockout tourney/hyper players? Maybe there are internal spreadsheets that show that's where the money is at. Too bad. It sure looks like typical corporate short-term thinking, over long term viability to me. Because trust me, when you've lost the rec fish like me, who are the plankton that keep the sharks fed on the site, with a few hundred bucks a month in deposits, it's Game Over Stars.

GG.
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05-02-2016 , 02:16 PM
It's hard to understand why there isn't any 3x turbo satellites (SM, Warm Up and so on), they made a perfect thing (for them) to rake every rebuy, and still people played them, i didn't saw an overlay for a long time, so everything worked fine for them and now they wiped out all the satellites? For what reason?
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05-02-2016 , 02:16 PM
Interesting thought out of all the people involved in creating the formats of online poker have any of them ever played a hand?
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05-02-2016 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dovtutis
It's hard to understand why there isn't any 3x turbo satellites (SM, Warm Up and so on), they made a perfect thing (for them) to rake every rebuy, and still people played them, i didn't saw an overlay for a long time, so everything worked fine for them and now they wiped out all the satellites? For what reason?
Where did the 3x sats go? Where did the 2x sats go? Where did most of the non-Hyper sats go?

I wanted to try and sat into a bunch of stuff Sunday and there was nothing but Hypers, which I'm simply not interested in playing.

And I noticed that a lot of what they're calling "deadline" Sats now, which used to have a huge amount of guaranteed seats, often with large overlays, are now just renamed regular satellites.

I'm just baffled by all of this stuff. I'm a rec player that has donked off so much money in satellites it actually makes me queasy to think about (go check my player logs Luke, it's all there), and now you guys have taken away my ability to give my money to you in rake, and feed the regs. It's like a fast food restaurant that takes all the stuff people like off the menu, and tells everyone they're only serving organic tofu burgers now because it's what their surveys show that people want. Huh?
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05-02-2016 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KidFernandes
It's like a fast food restaurant that takes all the stuff people like off the menu, and tells everyone they're only serving organic tofu burgers now because it's what their surveys show that people want. Huh?
you got it the wrong way round

the organic restaurant realized they could sell people terrible tasting fast food that was bad for their health, the people would lap it up and they could make more money while killing their customers
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05-02-2016 , 03:00 PM
make 55c womens reentry tournament a hyper turbo too imo
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05-02-2016 , 03:04 PM
14.15 ET 1$R 3x Turbo down to 20k GTD now. 3k$ for first now when it was 11k$ two years ago. I got 5th out of ~11k in 2013 and got 4k$ back then.


Someone needs to revert the rebuy rake changes..
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05-02-2016 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by blakkman08


this has to change luke. by simply making these be longer levels already. its funny cuz i just counted levels in scoops and its the same number of levels from bb2k to bb10k but they are obv 20 mins. make the bigs come closer to the feel of those. pelase
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T2000-T10000 and upscaling levels need restructuring.

we need T3500/T9000 or some other between levels.
Otherwise you should let the longer time levels kick in earlier. (just make them start at T2500!

320$ 6max daily needs to have 5k starting stack! Its your highest daily tournament and it has the same structure as the rest

I try to boycott your site as much as possible at the moment. Can/Shall I expect some structure changes in future or should I look to move more volume off to other sites?
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05-02-2016 , 03:08 PM
T500 (*7)
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05-02-2016 , 03:21 PM
As a rec player who plays for fun more than income (which there isn't any :-)), I would have given up a night or 2 to help beta test these new structures. I know you would need a lot of testers to test one of the bigs, but I am sure there are enough people like me who would have done that. Perhaps some would need a little incentive to participate, but it wouldn't have to be too costly.

I am of course assuming that no testing was done, given the negative feedback.

Something for PS to consider for their next "exciting update."
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05-02-2016 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3
Some of you should wake up and face the music that poker just isn't as popular as it once was five to ten years ago. All sites seem to being trying to find ways to create and structure "new" formats directed towards the average recreational grinder.

It's a shame some of your high edge games are getting cut in the process but they also just are not as popular with the masses as many of these "new" and/or faster variations.

It's very reasonable to complain that rake is too high in turbos or that rebuys should not be raked, etc but you are living in some sort of denial if you think it's all PokerStars pushing players to PSKO type tourneys, hypers, spin and gos, etc. THESE ARE THE GAMES THAT THEIR AVERAGE CUSTOMER WANTS TO PLAY!!!! .......geez
Have a genuine question in this respect. Why do you think this is the case, because of black friday and its consequences ? Or do you attribute this so-called lack of popularity as of late to something else ?

I have been playing on FT in 2008 etc., and just restarted playing lots of (100+ buyin) MTT on Stars some 6 months ago, did not really find that it was much, much less popular, hence my question. Cheers.
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05-02-2016 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatsMySpot
I have only cut the turbos, because I refuse to play a hyper (4 min level) with 10% rake.
This is such a problem for Luke. The turbos he has on the schedule are actually slower than they used to be. Yet, because he's used these overly complicated structures, his players think they are actually faster. There are posts like this all over this thread on the same topic.

Even though turbos are actually slower than they used to be, that doesn't matter if the players don't know it. Players understand two things clearly: Starting stack and Time per blind level. Everything else is fancy play syndrome.

Luke, look at this thread. People don't understand anything about these 4min turbos or 8/9min freezeouts. Redo the structures and start turbos at 5min blinds and freezeouts at 10min blinds. Yes, I know this means the whole structures need to be reworked, but it's a change that needs to happen. What was launched is not resonating with your playerbase.

You're going to be bleeding players who don't understand your tournament offerings if you don't make things more obvious.
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05-02-2016 , 04:30 PM
Doggz I do agree with you in regards to perception.

"to perceive is to believe". Right now the perception is bad.
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05-02-2016 , 04:59 PM
The microstakes schedule is still a complete joke besides a few additions that seem to have been made eg a 2.20 3k and a 3.30 2.5k

can anyone remember the 2.70 ko 10k that had over 1.5k ut on sundays

bring back all those ko's and stop bitching about structures imo

also, doggz stop pretending as if you represent stars schedule policy, or are their new spokesman, even tho luke won't comment. i don't think your the best to argue merits of game types etc, and in saying that is i think you tend to overthink things a little, or have not had enough experience playing games you are talking about.
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05-02-2016 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
This is such a problem for Luke. The turbos he has on the schedule are actually slower than they used to be. Yet, because he's used these overly complicated structures, his players think they are actually faster. There are posts like this all over this thread on the same topic.

Even though turbos are actually slower than they used to be, that doesn't matter if the players don't know it. Players understand two things clearly: Starting stack and Time per blind level. Everything else is fancy play syndrome.

Luke, look at this thread. People don't understand anything about these 4min turbos or 8/9min freezeouts. Redo the structures and start turbos at 5min blinds and freezeouts at 10min blinds. Yes, I know this means the whole structures need to be reworked, but it's a change that needs to happen. What was launched is not resonating with your playerbase.

You're going to be bleeding players who don't understand your tournament offerings if you don't make things more obvious.
LOOOOL, what a childish answer to this.
Everyone here says here for more than 1 week that not the 5-8-10 minutes blinds are the problem but the lacking of inbetween levels.
There are 2 ways of reparing this crap structures:
1. Add more minutes for levels
2. Add the inbetween levels that are missing.
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05-02-2016 , 05:13 PM
For what it's worth, DoGGz is right about the hot structures. He is also right about players misunderstanding about the VLTs. The hot's are actually better now. But why have only 4 minutes for the first few levels? The fancy play syndrome is a term Luke must know about.
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05-02-2016 , 06:01 PM
the fact is there is no more 4.40 psko 18k

there is no 2.70 ko 10k
there is no 5.40 ko 10k

there is no 11 10k

there is a 4.40 bounty builder 8k coming up woopie do. i guess the main there goal is to kill guarantees so we all play spins right.

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or the 11 20 psko turbo that was fun amirite. stop posting doggz pretending to be a rep or something cause you involved in some discussions about the new schedule because your coming across as a spokesman for the company by the tone of some of your posts. as in "we" or "us" etc,

you play 4 tables right, so whats the optimum games youd like to have as a 4 tabler, what if you played 8 or 12 what would they be

i regged every micro tonight and was lucky to get 8 tables up, the schedule is just a mish mash of random games if u even just look at the micro schedule it makes no sense at all, i did notice that the micro hypers increase their buy ins at peak time though.
wa

Last edited by 26sk8er; 05-02-2016 at 06:07 PM.
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05-02-2016 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3
you are living in some sort of denial if you think it's all PokerStars pushing players to PSKO type tourneys, hypers, spin and gos, etc. THESE ARE THE GAMES THAT THEIR AVERAGE CUSTOMER WANTS TO PLAY!!!! .......geez
Of course they want to push players to those formats!, there is no doubt about that. They charge more rake, and players who play them have more probability to be casino players (remember poker is just a part in the big scheme now). If that was not the case they would have leaved all vanilla tourneys and let players decide, they had good gtd's. Look at the schedule, regular speed doesnt exist any more! Amaya is now a money sucking machine.
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05-02-2016 , 06:47 PM
So doggz say people vote with there money and he shows that lobby where no ones playing the k/o or the rebuy or deepstack//Well people would play the damn thing is the $22 wasnt 8min blinds,or if the rebuy wasnt 8max and the deepstack $16.50 u show is off peak,,all wher offpeak but yeah use that example muppy.Its so easy make a nrmal $10/20 frezzeout with TEN NOT EIGHT minute blinds and ul atract alot more players with better levels blah blah,u guys know what ur doing and it Major B.S .U said ud change the stutures lol ok so i reg for a turbo,6min blinds,I reg for a bounty builder 7 min blinds,i reg for a frezzeout 8 min blinds WOW F off,for so long regs have learnt ther fullring game with 10min blinds and good stucture Now its all over and u try make us change our game,I for one as a $10/$30 normal speed 9max grinder oh and the old $5rebuys cant play anymore,theres just no good games to play to grind a roll so il never make it up to be able to play the $50+ buy in unless i deposit a big roll to be able to wtf is tht cose theres no roll building games left.U think were muppets Doggz dont u.You said rebuys where dead lol wtf are u on???The $11 Sunday rebuy was SICK,the $22 sunday edition rebuy was SICK,Never Had a problem with numbers or overlay All the $5rebuys where sick for low stakes guys and for the rec,s,The $11 Deepstack was Sick and the rec,s loved it,Why was the mini million a success hhmmm,maybe boat load of chips and decent blind levels so u can late reg without being supershort with blind levels jumping like a crackhead who just broke his bulb like the new game u put out with 7/8min blinds.Very unhappy player here and u killed my dream and alot of othr peoples to...Il leave u with this..
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05-02-2016 , 06:52 PM
I'm strongly in favor of slower freezeouts with 10 minute levels. I feel like I need repeat that in every post.

Pretty much EVERYONE here want those options, and they don't exist on the schedule right now. They should.
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05-02-2016 , 08:42 PM
sunday million is blue now?!
bahahahah!! nice marketing
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05-02-2016 , 08:46 PM
Will be very difficult for you or any player to build a roll on stars now skater.Less tournaments with monster fields and terrible payouts especially first place prize made sure of this.
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