IF YOU READ EVERY POST...
Can you please atleast comment all the complain about the payout structure?

yeah i would like to know what the stance is on the payouts, is this never ever ever getting adjusted?

payout structures need adjustments

Why PLO/PLO8 special mtts don`t have mini & late versions?

Its nice to plat a deep stack tourney in big 8, for ex, and the actuall structure dosent help u to do that.
Do u have any news about micro and low mtts reg speed?
And why the speed in big 4, for ex its faster than in big 55...?

hola

this was in a reg speed 33 6k. Average right around the money bubble was 20bb :|

It actually don't have anything to do with the buyin, imo. It's about the field size. More players = more time to finish. Some of the old Bigs and BBs would go on for 10-11 hours. That's just too long for your daily variety MTT.

I fully support slower structures for our BIG mtts as long as that doesn't have them in the 10+ hour runtime. We are def lacking structure variety right now.

Please fix this:

- Payout Structure

- Blind Structure

- LS Schedule

This 109 fo today was a good structure should be use for the other freezeouts

Says who?
If recs get that deep in lower bigs they are super excited and andernaline keeps them in shape.
Regs dont care either thats obv.

Ye ok but what about lower bi freezouts with good structure.
Funny how so many people here asked to improve the ls schd and they go and stick another 109 out there, lol.

^to everyone saying over and over again that luke hasn't been addressing the payouts.

i don't like new payouts either and +1 to changing them back but i don't expect that to happen, the same way sats payouts were changed some time ago.

this thread is expanding rapidly and yeah luke ignores A LOT of stuff (most imo) but hopefully this will reduce some of the clatter.

Are payout structures up for discussion? Or is that off the table completely?

What was the average field and in how much time ends big 3 before the new structure? but in big 8? but in big 11? but in big 55? Do u know?
Some of the old Bigs and BBs would go on for 10-11 hours. That's just too long for your daily variety MTT.
Why its to long? I think its ok for a 8$ buy in tourney and a 4 figures pay day

I don't have access to Stars data and don't have the records in front of me. From my memory the Big 11 with 5000 players was a 10 hour tournament. The BB $1.10 that had 10k runners was over 12 hours. The last edition of the Bigger 22 in the lobby was a 12 hour and 30 minute game.

new big's structure (except the high buy-ins) is such a joke.
that b55 ft screenshot with less than 13bb avg stacks says it all.

it's also very discouraging to see luke's response "i'll see what i can do from next week.. will add 1-2 minutes (littlegoliath's post on that nailed it).. GTDs increase/decrease is what i'm doing atm", barely addressing the problem, especially when he absolutely comprehends it as a long time player himself.

like others suggested, just vote with your money.
i haven't played since the new rake increase (maybe barely played on a sunday) and withdrew most of my roll, will come back for scoop but who knows after that.

Ye and? who says people dont like it? I didnt see anyone complain here about the bigs being too long.

Hey Luke, as you said you read all the posts, here is another list of a micro grinder (CET time) who misses a lot of the reg-speed Smallstakes and Turbo Micros in his schedules. This is something apart from the structures/payouts that decreased the overall playing experience for a lot of people both recs + regs.

Please bring back some of these or similar:

1.35 KO Turbo
2.75 KO Turbo
0.82 Turbo
13.50 KO Turbo

2.20 FO
3.30 FO
5.50 FO (+1R1A +2R1A)
8.80 FO
11 FO

Can you write a sentence 'bout why these all have been removed. All of these had decent numbers (as I can say for CET daytime) almost all the time and they overlayed close to zero times. I get it that you wanted to decrease the overall ammount of MTTs, but imo it makes absolut no sense to remove obviously popular torunaments, and we are talking about ~50 MTTs a day (thats a guess).
Cheers for reading.

And why its that a bad thing? U play a tourney with low buy in (11$) and u win 10k... its not all in shoutout man...lol

I agree what we had this week was too fast.

Lets see what happens next, but i dont thing will be a good thing...

Is there any chance you could change the $27 8 game as i dont think it works as well as the shallower format now. Seeing as how this is the only 8 game tournament left other than micro stakes is there any chance of changing it ?

Day 4, post nr. 4.

The implementation of dynamic structures. I am seriously excited about the implications of this functionality! Imagine a typical freezeout but the levels are eight minutes in length, then 10 minutes once the money is reached, 12 minutes at the final three tables, and 15 minutes at the final table. The ability to lengthen the excitement of going deep in a tournament in a dynamic way has a lot of potential.

And then almost five months later

Overall, I do think tournaments need to be shortened some amount. I've made the conversion from professional to recreational player and my single biggest consideration of if I play a tournament or not is its length. If I am going to play 4-5 hours, not make the money, and be exhausted for work, I'm not interested. I acknowledge that this doesn't apply to our biggest weekly tournaments, but I think we need to draw a fine line in the daily schedule.

I'm asking, what has changed (think I know the answer but I would like one because this seems like a pretty big lie)?

Be honest please. You've been very selective in your answers so I'm going to be annoying and repeat this post every day until you answer.

Have you considered that maybe he knows but cannot publicly say? Maybe it's coming but he cannot say until it's launched?

Hey Luke, I'd like to offer a rec perspective on here, that may (or may not) be different from the usual 2+2 banter. I more or less stopped playing for the last couple years (work+life+other interests), and in the last few months have dipped a toe or two back in the water. Twitch poker, the GPL, and a few other things have perked my interest, and I've got the summer off, so I'm back in the mix. In regard to the MTT schedule, this is my (and only my) perspective.

The most important thing to me is having a variety of freezeout tourneys with good guarantees to choose from. The time zone balancing, and the abundance of bigs, hots, and BB's is great. As most people have said it would be nice to have more of the smaller freezout guarantees in the $1-$10 range back. I don't want every MTT I play to have 3000+ runners. Overall I think getting rid of some of the random stuff in favor of more bigs and hots is good, but you may have gone a bit overboard. And honestly why can't you cull all that Timed junk, and most of the 1 seat satellites, or 1 StarsCoin donkfests. It seems like you guys cut out a lot of substantive tourneys that people liked, but left a lot of random junk on the schedule. It's kind of like calling Pizza a vegetable in order to meet school dietary requirements, just because it has tomato sauce on it. Not cool bro, not cool.

The next most important thing to me other than tourney selection are the payouts. And the new system is not so good. Obviously first place is important, but I could care less if 1st in a $5 MTT pays $2750 or $1650. It would still be a huge score for me regardless. So there is leeway at the top of the structure. But the minimum payouts now are terrible. From what I understand, the idea was to get players into the money faster, where it's more exciting, and have more people get paid overall, which seems good in theory. However, I don't want to get in the money, and find out that the Big $2.20 pays $3.30 for coming in the top 8% (which was the case in the one I was in today). That's like an SnG payout for beating thousands of players in an MTT, which is actually more annoying to a rec player like me than not cashing at all. So lower the top, or the middle, or chop the number of places paid, but a min payout in a large field MTT needs to be at least 2x the buyin. There is a very strong psychological aspect to knowing that once I'm in the money I've doubled my investment. That makes me happy, and provides a strong incentive. Playing for 4 hours, and beating 90% of the field to get 1.3 or 1.4 my BI back just makes me feel used. Like you promised me a date to a fancy Italian restaurant, but we ended up at Olive Garden.

Lastly, I would love to see satellites get some love. It seems like a lot of the new sats are Hypers, which I have no interest in playing. Or they are deep stack 5 seaters. I loved the regular 10 seat freezouts, or the 20 seat 2x turbos you had before. Why not give us a bunch of options for sats, and the ones that are less popular you can always get rid of later if you need to?

With all of these changes, it feels like you worked in reverse, where you got rid of everything in place of the new formats, before seeing what the players responded to. You're like the rock group that went on a reunion tour, but refused to play any of your old songs, so that you could sell a new album that none of us have listened to yet. You cut a lot of songs that we liked. Which I why I think most people on these threads are angry. MTT's that were successful, and had plenty of interest, got axed with no similar replacements for people to ease their way into. We might like your new jams. The new format might one day be looked back on as your White Album, or maybe Led Zeppelin II. But can you let us listen first before you ask us to ditch our entire 8-Track library overnight? Don't Yoko us bro.

Anyway, the changes aren't all bad. I think the idea of speeding up MTT's in general is good, and more Bigs/Hots is welcomed. To me it's primarily about adding a bit more variety back, and fixing the payout structures. Just my .02.