Quoting myself to expand on my thoughts on the Ante-ups. More specifically the $3K Gntd $33 buy in. Which is the biggest Daily Ante-Up game offered.

Not sure if Luke reads all these responses or not but I notice the min players is 14 in the Ante-Up games. That is fine for most of these Ante-Up games but the $3K Gntd is likely to cancel a decent amount of the time with the min players set at 14.

I was keeping my eye on it today and it Canceled with 5 players. The min players need to drop imo. The old $55 Buy in $2.5K Gntd. min players was 8 ( or was it 6 ?). Even though the game started with a small amount of players the Gntd was still met. The Gntd is higher and the buy in lower with the new $3K gntd but the same situation is likely to happen ( Gntd being exceeded ) if you drop the min players do to the new $33 buy in being re-entry and it will get the game running.

I hate seeing these cancel.

There was a time tonight around 6pm-7pm cet where there seemed to just be dozens of turbos/hypers/pskos starting and then everything went quiet. If you start a session and naturally late reg the best stuff from
The last hour then from 5-8pm cet you're not going to be playing poker, you're just going to be jamming and folding or jamming and calling. It was just pre flop gambling because short stacked or pre flop gambling because short handed PSKO you just got to go all in a lot.

It really didn't feel like playing poker and was far less enjoyable than previously. I final tabled 3 events but was left completely unsatisfied from the player experience.

In that crazy action hour just seemed to be 8-10 random different formats of 6 max popping up and was uncontrollable.

Those turbos used to be so good at the end of the session, could just load them up when down to 6 tables or so and was fine just they we're quick. They really aren't suited for mid session imo.

Why make regular speed structures so turbo ?!?
If someone wants to play a short session with a turbo or a hyper turbo they register for one !

Let the people that want to play reg speeds have games to reg for ....


Also , why do we have antes from the beginning in every tournament ?
The GoodOl' structures worked for so long for a reason : People really enjoyed them !

I think there should be levels without antes !


Also the sattys for ST were really poor today , there used to be alot more in the past ... FIx this please !

a direct popup in reentries would be nice. like on winamax.

Pokerstars Luke- serious question....

Are you trying to kill Pokerstars?

There is no Omaha at all (at micros). Add some Omania $2.20-$4.40 at 19:00-00:00 CET, or add PLO 9-max $2.20-$4.40 reg speed 10 min blinds.
In old schedule we had like 4-5 of them with good structure and now we have zero (19:00-00:00 CET).

P.S.: Just watching a $2.20 NLHE "reg speed" MTT started at 00:15 CET. After 4 h 35 min 19 players remaining and the chipleader has 43 BB stack (he had 39 BB few minutes ago)! Is this ok? WTF is going on? How should I play MTTs? I like to play reg speed, but now we don't have them at all or we have 2-3 and they are turbo! If you want people to play - let them! I don't understand your logic. Is that so hard to make 5, 10, 15 or even 25 (if needed) MTTs more if people asking? I just can't understand. There was a very good schedule with 10 min blinds and everything was ok, but no, you want to make some "another great idea" and now you just ruined our game.

Keep in mind that if people don't have a choice - they will find another place. If people does like to play reg speed MTTs - they will find them whatever place.

P.S.S.: I am a micro-stakes MTT reg and since Monday I didn't play any of your "reg speed" MTTs as well as many regs did the same. So, your point is to lose a lot of players who was making your rake every day? Pretty silly then...

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It's not only Luke, I think he only sees MTT Schedule. But PokerStars is doing a wonderful job increasing rake consistently. And we, the players, are just suckers that keep playing in there.

SnGs: Rakeback is gone, rake increase and introduction of Spin and gos.
Cash: Rakeback is gone, rake increase

Now is time for the MTTs, where we basically play turbos raked as non-turbos

Again, not PokerStars fault. It's they're business, and they're taking advantage that we don't do anything. I cut my grind there to 20%-25% (to be fair, they cut it to half by taking out the $2r, 4fo, 5fo, 11fo, 5 deepstack... i just cut some of what remain). As an MTT enthusiast I got better options now on other sites.

you better fix all structures before scoop starts if u want all those people to continue playing on ur daily schedule postscoop.

there's already so many turbos in the schedule, let the regspeeds be playable!!!

ive played over 70k mtts/sngs on your site in the past 4 years at an avg buy in of of 4.26 avg profit of 80c and ive payed 25k rake and made 55k or something ridiculously low compared to what it costs to live in australia.

Why do you think ive played so many low games, because i enjoy poker, and as long as i was playing i was having fun whether it be a 1.10 turbo or the big 22, i also sucked at brm id reg from the bigger 3 till the hotter 8 on sundays when i had the heart and play everything between 82c and the big 22 and do you know how much of that is gone now,

The reason i played poker for so long at so low a stake is like many recreationals i pursued the dream of one day getting to high stakes, you are killing that dream now on pokerstars and soon all the high stakes players will not be making any money at high stakes since no one will be able to move up.

Just off the top of my head heres what id play and generaly enjoy the most on a sunday

bigger 3.30
a couple of 2.20 2x maybe 1 bullet the 3.30 2x
2 6max turbos an 8.80 and an 11
16.50 turbo if i felt yolo
the 9.90 final table only paid
4.40 2k
3.30 1k
2.20 psko turbo
2.20 turbo
4.40 4max
4.40 8max
1.10 6max turbo
hotter 2 3 4 and 1. hotter 11 hotter 16
2 1.10 fo's with 1k and 1.5k (when i first started i loved those games)
4.40 bounty builder
11 and 16 bounty builder
82c 1ks (which recs love btw and the 55c ones)
all the 1.35 kos
all the 2.70 kos
all the 5.40 kos
the 4.40 3.30 and 2.20 psko (why the hell would you get rid of the 4.40 psko 18k)
the 3 or 4 2.20 rebuys they had
early 8.80 2k
5.50 rebuy 4k
early 11 4k which became an 11 3k
16.50 8max
early 5quad
most other 5 quads except the late one which had the wierd structure
the 5 cubed 8cubed 11 cubed ( wouldn't always play the latter maybe 1 bullet it)
11 4k
11 6k
the 2 5.50 3ks they had
early 13.50 ko
primetime 13.50 ko which was 25k if i recall on a sunday
late 13.50 ko 4k
11 10k (one of my favorites)
1.10 3x (even tho rake went up id still play it with 12-14k up top etc)
2 6max turbos both 8,80 which got massive prize pools
bigger 5 bigger 8 bigger 11 storm, 11 sat to milly
3.30 2.5k, 2.20 (maybe was a 3.30 2k)
the 2.20 1.5k and 2.75 1k
8 turbo 8k i think 11 turbo 8k
11 psko 20k
13.50 turbo 10k?
hotter 7 hotter 5
whatever other bounty builders they had except the 1.10 and 2.20 since they went too long not worth it
the 1.10 3x 15k
the 1.10 2x 5k
the 2.20 turbo 6max
there were 4 1.10 fo's which are all gone!!!! (i would notice that recs really enjoyed these too btw although i didn't play them all the time)
the 4.40 late quad
the late 8 and 11 turbos
id mix in some 2 buck 180s or 3rs to start the session and end it and last game id reg would be the hotter 8.80.

PLEASE NOTE ALL THE STUFF I MISSED, AND PLEASE ADD THEM ALL BACK!!!!!

Now i didn't always play all these games would try and cap tables at 12. i also think i lost money in alot of these games so its not like i took money from microstakes players. all we have now is bigs, bounty builders and hots. plus maybe a handful of somewhat mtts that resemeble the 40-50 that got cut and always had good numbers.

Stuff like the 11 10k was great because ppl would get a chance to lean on rounder, or sit next to moormon, and don't worry recs enjoy competion. i always have and i'm sure many creating new accounts here to post did too.

I also have a feeling a number of people posting how much they like the new schedule have horses that play a somewhat similar or slightly higher avg buy in then me or higher schedule then above and are simply saying it so other regs like me don't all switch to party and 888 where all their volume will be going. I'd be interested in what 45 mtts you played lolchipporn the day you were in love with it.

I could go on forever and this won't be my last post regarding this, also id love someone if they have it to post the old turbo and reg speed schedule from bigger 3-hotter 8 (- timebombs: oh btw was that the whole idea of reducing avg buy in)

Also, as someone mentioned before doggz had a good idea of running bigs twice a day, i really hope for your own mindset doggz that you wern't part of any other of the atrocious changes. Also, were you a good candidate cause you were a 4 tabler or something i have no fkn idea what is going on here, and i guarantee you that unless stuff changes, highstakes will be dead in 1 year on stars, amaya will be dead, and I will be taking my business elsewhere.

And yes i would wish people gl at the ft of a 55c, recs loved those turbos and the 27c and 82c ones don't think their all stupid enough to just play spins now cause that is clearly what you want.

Luke please put the old mixed game schedule back and make the dailys blue.
They just need to be arranged in better times with the sats running a couple of hours before them. This schedule would be perfect all gmt
17.00 8game 2k
17.45 5cd 1k
18.15 badugi 500
18.45 sd27 750
19.15 limit holdem 6 max 750
19.45 triple draw 750
20.15 razz 1k
20.45 stud 500
21.15 horse 2k
22.15 stud 8 1k
23.15 flo8 1k

the weeklies should also be arranged during monday to friday, I think they would run much better here as there is too much going on at the weekend.
another suggestion would be to add game of the week, this was awesome on full tilt on till the site dried up. Could run at 1.10 7.50 and 27 during the day with a 109 on sunday.
Please do something for mid stake mixed game players as of right now the schedule will have a lot of mixed games players stop playing altogether

We need more lowstakes Omaha, Omaha8 and Mixed variants in between 11-44$, imo
Only offering 8-game and HORSE at decent stakes, but no Limit games and NL 2-7SD will result in loss of variety pretty quickly, and even SCOOP's and WCOOP's will suffer from that. There should at least be one daily MTT of each variant in between 16,50$ to 33$, preferably as re-entry, or in case of NL 2-7 SD, maybe a PSKO around 27$. Run it at Peak european time, and at half the buy-in 12 hours later.

Like one chinese philosopher said: Trust is like a mirror, you can fix it if its broken, but you can still see the crack in that moth******** reflection. Mouth to mouth will have an impact in 1 or 2 years if another site gains momentum.

We need to play at least rebuys and majors on another sites (Yes, you!) Otherwise, expect more of this in future.

Nice post. Your whole post was on point but this point is especially spot on.

Couldn't have put it any better.


It's been so depressing hearing anything about PokerStars over the last six months or so. Mostly because I remember how f***ing amazing the company had been to its players under old management.

Since 2007, I've played a lot of poker and have always sworn by one brand. Every time my friends would offer skepticism about online poker, I'd point to one site that kept doing it right. Even when the s***storm started with the SNE pig roast last year my loyalties didn't waver, I thought "hey, it's PokerStars - they're the best to their customers, they'll get us back somehow". But now none of that exists anymore.

The MTT schedule/structures/action at PokerStars were what I thought would keep me playing there forever. It was set-up so well, so beautifully. There was variety for almost every kind of player and a competitive balance unmatched on any other site - there was no reason to take the torches to it.

I've been sitting on my tax return for the last week, debating how much of it I should throw on Stars. I wanted to get back into the game a little bit. But they're not getting any more of my money. I'm in awe of what they've become, and it makes me sick to watch the mighty keep falling.

I'm going to try out 888 Poker. They do that free $88 thing without having to make a deposit. You've gotta earn the "free" money by playing and earning points, but it seems like a fun challenge for me to build a bankroll and get back into the game.

R.I.P. PokerStars

Splash (3x turbo) structure totally ridiculous. Fix or not playing again.

Not even mentioning the rest.

I was trying to convince myself the structures wasnt so bad until I made my first good result in a micro builder last night. It felt like playing a turbo satellite. Depositing money to PartyPoker immediately. They run these powerseries with 12mins level blinds! Can you believe it? 12 mins? I can play poker again! I wish someone would have told me before. 7mins here on Pokerstars, 12mins on Partypoker! 5mins difference! Oh my godness! I am not a pro player, I am just someone who likes to play tournaments each day( real slow tournaments) and no donk is gonna force me to play turbos!
You can keep your "possible adjustments" for yourself. I'll be long gone before you return with another lies. Heh, "these changes are good for you". Well, you better think again.

Just get a job and grind some tournaments when u get home, you'll notice they did a great job

I don't really play poker, but I gave some of the new tourneys a try. I love how you guys think playing poker is sitting around waiting for a hand. These tournaments still take over 10 hours to finish. Half the reason people play these are for the high return when you make a final table, 90% of the pool would rather the bounty builders be turbo over non turbo.


These structures are still ridiculously deep, today's turbos would be considered reg speed 5 years ago. Go play cash if you want to play 100bbs all day long.

yeah they prob done alot of us a favour eg forcing us to "get a real job" play as a hobby

its more the hurt i feel as being so passionate about poker that makes these changes so sad, i can always get higher rois on other sites make money from poker, but if pokerstars gets away with this i don't see why other sites might not eventually do the same.

Big props to party/888/unibet and i guess ipoker for stepping up their game tho and as soon as i clear my next vip i will be withdrawing my 30 bucks roll and grinding on other sites as a hobby and maybe as a pro one day.

i've notice alot of new accounts posting in this thread, not everyone knows about 2p2 so i'm going to start asking microstakes players at the tables their thoughts on the changes and post screenshots in here with there permission of course.

I'm going to be completely objective so good feeback will be posted as u see in the post below. all the guy is def bitter about one particular mtt being removed

https://gyazo.com/6c515c97b46c59c711afb596fae1154c
https://gyazo.com/9cc1a9bec4509d8e1274f9a43c511e11

https://gyazo.com/9b8363c538d97da8adad2c1f5bb8f29f

Cliffs on player sample 1

55c 500g

1)likes the 5k chips more play
2)prob has no idea about change in structure
3)will take you court if you don't bring back the 82c 2k
4)was unaware of the 1.35 2.70 5.40 kos being removed
5)mentioned microstakes 4 liFe <3

Really?

Can i ask anyone this, i'm really trying to figure it out. besides flatter payouts. how else are these changes helping recs money last longer,

I mean even if it lasted longer per deposit, wouldn't they end up having to deposit more or am i missing something,

I put my hand up to do a 3 way with doggz and chicagojoey to discuss the changes in the mtt schedule, i think i am a good candidate to discuss how recs feel as well as the people who have been hurt the most by these changes eg - 3 buck to 25 dollar grinders,

Double edit, love how grinders say they love the changes, cause they no more fish will reg games with 5k starting stack and punt more. yeah your really looking forward there arn't you guys.

Wait till the weekend when the recs realise the changes and then wait to see the backlash then.

GG STARS, lol at rounder thinking stars won't become like ftp did, after scoop every highstakes will be multientry or reentry, and rake will increase

RIP

What do we even disagree on Lloyd? I think the structures need adjusting and that there needs to be more tournaments in the $5-$10 level.

I mean there's way more small things but those are the biggest adjustments I'd like to see.

+1

What you guys don't get is that these tournaments are still very beatable short and long term, do you know what isn't beatable longterm? Tournaments with insanely deep structures that allows a rec to make so many mistakes without making their money last any amount of time at all until they get frustrated and stop depositing.