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07-15-2016 , 09:19 AM
why do you changes everything Luke? and make it worse and worse

i want back Bryan


why do you needed to get rid of the $8 and $11 MM events that did wery well in the past. why did needed to get rid of the biggers hotters that did wery well in the past etcetc
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07-15-2016 , 09:39 AM
as a micro and lowstakes mtt player
i was really looking forward to the mirco millions
and now i am sad..
at least some big 11 or big 8,80 special editions with bigger guarantees
is what i would expect
more freezouts in the 7-11 $ buyin range they always got great player numbers in the last mm that i participated in
was playing 15-20 events the last years
maybe playing 5 events this year...
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07-15-2016 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by krazykarter
As others have suggested, I like the structure that starts off with 20 > 30 > 50 > 100, or a structure similar to the reg-speed STTs.

I'll try to address my thoughts on the three points you made above, but they all kind of mix, so if something isn't clear, let me know.

With regards to shortening the late registration period, you raised two points:



To this I say, so what? Some players want to play every tournament on the schedule, but at some point, they have to realize that that is not always possible. If you continually try to accommodate every player that wants to play every tournament they will end up with longer and longer late registration periods (as has happened, they went from 10 minutes > 30 > 60 > 2 hours+). If there were tournaments starting more frequently they could register for something new without having to fill a gap with already-running tournaments. For example, instead of a single $2.20 tournament with 2 hours late-reg, do two separate tournaments with 1 hour late-reg starting an hour apart.



That's okay for the non-majors. Not every tournament has to have thousands of players with gigantic paydays. That's what the majors are for.

Your comments about shortening the period before the bubble:



1. Don't pay more players. Enough already get paid and the prize pool is far too stretched out.
2. As has been mentioned in a few posts recently, the structure can afford to be sped up a little bit early while being slowed down in the middle stages.

You have painted yourself into a bit of a corner with adding guarantees to every tournament. Guarantees used to only exist on the major tournaments. By adding them to the smaller, "support" tournaments you have taken away the "special" from the guarantees, and when participation drops you get blasted for having to reduce the guarantees on tournaments that never had them before.

In my opinion, there are three categories of tournaments:
1. Major/Weekly tournaments: They occur once a week. The Sunday Million, Sunday Storm, Super Tuesday, and the other blue tournaments. These deserve large guarantees and large fields.
2. Daily Special tournaments: These occur once a day, and mainly include the BIG/HOT/Bounty Builder tournaments, and other little special tournaments. These also deserve large guarantees and large fields.
3. Schedule fillers: Also on the daily schedule, but with no special colour or brand. The truly vanilla tournaments with nothing special about them. They are typically smaller in field size and probably don't require any sort of guarantee. They are there for the players that want to play more tables, or something other than the monstrous daily/weekly major tournament.

Also, as a final point for this post, I don't think we are saying "limit late registration to one hour on every single tournament." The larger major tournaments (special Sunday tournaments, the largest blue majors, etc...) can use longer late registration. It is mainly the little filler tournaments that fall in to the third category that should especially be limited to no more than one hour of late registration.
+1
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07-15-2016 , 10:37 AM
Thanks for the +1s.

When I was talking about tournaments being special, I was referring more to my opinion that it was partially the guarantee that made them special. With regards to there being multiple instances of the same BIG/HOT/BB tournament each day, I'm okay with that. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, just that we have different opinions here. Agree to disagree.

I am okay with it because I only have a small window where I can play MTTs. I almost never get a chance to play anything outside that window. Chances are high that I won't be seeing the same major tournament twice in that time. There are lots of special tournaments that I am unable to play due to the starting time, so I am happy when I get a second chance to play them. I can understand that the players that have time to play across a 12+ hour time period they may get bored seeing the same thing twice, but I would imagine that is a minority.

I wanted to add something else about the "filler" tournaments, but I can't really figure out exactly what it is that I want to say, and feel like most of it would be repeating my own previous post, so I am skipping that idea
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07-15-2016 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GTXR1
Your alibi $55 Saturday tournaments with horrible structures and wimpy Gtd are a slap in the face to anyone having played these games before.

...

But players do. Just let it start Su 14:30(ET) make it re-entry, slap a 20K Gtd, make it part of Omania and have a test run for one month. I'll pay the overlay should there be any.
+1

The #s from this years WSOP O8 events also show that, O8 is quite popular. The 1500 FLO8 got 934 players and the 10k got 163 players. I dont have the past SCOOP and WCOOP #, but it has performed well.

There's also a group of High Stakes cash players that play FLO8 and 2-7 Triple Draw. A 530 or 1050 would bring them out, but something smaller like 215, 82 or 55 may not.

I think 20k gtd is a bit rich for the first week of the tournament, but i would be willing to chip in up to a 10k gtd if there is any overlay. Over a short period of time, a 20k gtd is very realistic.
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07-15-2016 , 12:06 PM
Thanks for the changes on the big fts!
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07-15-2016 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rodgethat
Thanks for the changes on the big fts!
+1 Hope to see them do more of this kind of stuff
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07-15-2016 , 05:38 PM
Thanks for the replies Luke. There's been some nice changes recently, and feels like you are actually listening. MM is good, if not a tad "boring" imo. love that us micro/low stake players get some ultra deeps, an idea would be to have some $2-$22 ultra deep in the regular schedule. Anyway, thanks again
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07-15-2016 , 06:09 PM
make 16$-22$ regulars 8game,horse,2-7 etc... the 11$s are a success already imo
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07-15-2016 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by krazykarter
As others have suggested, I like the structure that starts off with 20 > 30 > 50 > 100, or a structure similar to the reg-speed STTs.

I'll try to address my thoughts on the three points you made above, but they all kind of mix, so if something isn't clear, let me know.

With regards to shortening the late registration period, you raised two points:



To this I say, so what? Some players want to play every tournament on the schedule, but at some point, they have to realize that that is not always possible. If you continually try to accommodate every player that wants to play every tournament they will end up with longer and longer late registration periods (as has happened, they went from 10 minutes > 30 > 60 > 2 hours+). If there were tournaments starting more frequently they could register for something new without having to fill a gap with already-running tournaments. For example, instead of a single $2.20 tournament with 2 hours late-reg, do two separate tournaments with 1 hour late-reg starting an hour apart.



That's okay for the non-majors. Not every tournament has to have thousands of players with gigantic paydays. That's what the majors are for.

Your comments about shortening the period before the bubble:



1. Don't pay more players. Enough already get paid and the prize pool is far too stretched out.
2. As has been mentioned in a few posts recently, the structure can afford to be sped up a little bit early while being slowed down in the middle stages.

You have painted yourself into a bit of a corner with adding guarantees to every tournament. Guarantees used to only exist on the major tournaments. By adding them to the smaller, "support" tournaments you have taken away the "special" from the guarantees, and when participation drops you get blasted for having to reduce the guarantees on tournaments that never had them before.

In my opinion, there are three categories of tournaments:
1. Major/Weekly tournaments: They occur once a week. The Sunday Million, Sunday Storm, Super Tuesday, and the other blue tournaments. These deserve large guarantees and large fields.
2. Daily Special tournaments: These occur once a day, and mainly include the BIG/HOT/Bounty Builder tournaments, and other little special tournaments. These also deserve large guarantees and large fields.
3. Schedule fillers: Also on the daily schedule, but with no special colour or brand. The truly vanilla tournaments with nothing special about them. They are typically smaller in field size and probably don't require any sort of guarantee. They are there for the players that want to play more tables, or something other than the monstrous daily/weekly major tournament.

Also, as a final point for this post, I don't think we are saying "limit late registration to one hour on every single tournament." The larger major tournaments (special Sunday tournaments, the largest blue majors, etc...) can use longer late registration. It is mainly the little filler tournaments that fall in to the third category that should especially be limited to no more than one hour of late registration.
I totaly agree with this

I play med-hi buyins and obv the problem with too long late registration I was talking about is for mtts i play

The bigest problem imo is in higher buyins because there are a lot of people ( including myself now more often then previosly ) that are late reg like 20-15 bb deep after 1:30 -2hours has past and significant % of field is busted
with 20-15bb you still have workable stack and you can put presure on all stack sizes actually and when you win some pots or doble up and holla you have 35bb+++ when almost 1/3+++ of field is gone very close to ITM,

the problem with this is that the players who are game starters and play hi buy ins from beging of the mtt when this period of the mtt comes they get surrounded with 10-20bb stacks and no mather how good/lucky or w/e they were/played in previous 2hours the efectiv stacks are so small that mtts are becoming shoving fest and this thing continues till itm and drag off till like lest 3-4 tables cos there are always 4-5 less then 20bb stacks at almost any table which imo is prety apsurd way for hi buy in mtts,

also in late/early versions of ST, trill or you name it you can late reg et the end with like 10 bb when aomost half field is bust and you are like one doble up and in the money ( for ex in tuesday before late reg was over in early ST 215 buy in there was point where you can late reg with 10 bb at 60 left 27 itm i think and 7k for first, which till late reg was over after like 10-20 min got up till 8k+ for first and smth like 36 itm which imo is ruing the games)

In mid buyins this is not that that obv cos fields are biger and people play worse spew/stack off lighter so avg stack at the table gets more even with not much short stacks

I also agree about krazy karter points that not all mtts should have huge feild and not all players should be able to reg every mtt and i also agree that easy good way to aproach this is to cut late reg and have simular buyins same type of mtts within an hour so people can choose what to play and will have smaler fields and play deeper

X X X

About increasing level time at FT feedback
I FT big 215 couple days ago and i really like how it slow downs and you have more room to play, choose your spots and have chance to come back if you loose big hand without feelig rushed,
i have one suggestion: although i dont mind to have it 20 min till end i felt like after people bust and we were geting short handed play slow down a litle bit more for my taste,
so my sugestion is
to have it 20 min lvl 12-8 people,
19min 7 left,
18min 6 left,
17 min 5 left
16 min 4 left
And 15 min from 3 handed to winer

X X X

P.S. Also i read this idea for new mtt at this forum and like it very much i think should be great if you change bounty bilders in this format so they will be difrent from progressive kno

Basically the idea for new mtt is this it has 2 variants but i prefer first one

Variant 1> the mtt runs as regular mtt no knos etc the prize pool gets divided in half and once players get ITM they also get bounty on their head ( progresiv or not, I prefer progresiv) for ex. 109$ mtt 200 runers = 20k in buy ins that gets divided in 10k prize pool and 10k bounty pool so after ( this mtts can also pay biger % of field btw) players get ITM, the bouty pool gets divided to players left and now is played as pko
I mean if from 200 runers 50 get itm (thats 25% of feild) with min cash 1,5 buyin (150$ in this case) and those 50 players left got 200$ pko on their head i thin this format will be great and fun for all the players regs or recs ( of course with small late reg like 30 min max because big % of feild is paid)

Variant 2> basicly revers concept (which i think will actualy work better then this ****y 75% Saturdays special pknos) you devide prize pool in 1/3-2/3 (1/3 goes to prize pool, 2/3 goes to pko, and then you have pkos 50% from the start till like last 1, 2,3 or 5 tables depending on the feild size(then people get ITM) and when you reach ITM, pkos are taken and MTT continues like a regular frezout
For ex: 33$ mtt ( 3$ rake, 10$ prize pool, 20$ for pko) so 200 runers ( 2000 prize pool, 4000 pkos) only 1 table ITM, so it plays at pko untill FT and once FT is reached every one that is left take their knos and game continue as frezout

Last edited by Re8uZ; 07-15-2016 at 08:39 PM.
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07-15-2016 , 08:30 PM
Why are there no micro million tournaments scheduled in the off peak slots? This site does nothing for australia/new zealand/ asian players.

+1 for ultra deep low stack mtts.
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07-15-2016 , 08:39 PM
That 20 > 30 > 50 > 100 structure is complete aids, don't ever use that for anything. You're sitting there at 25/50 with a healthy 40 BBs and then a minute later you look over and you're at 20 bigs.
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07-15-2016 , 09:12 PM
I agree that there could of been some big8 big11 special editions in the MM schedule, as well as a SE storm.

I still like that it is mainly 5.50 and under tho
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07-15-2016 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yeahm8
That 20 > 30 > 50 > 100 structure is complete aids, don't ever use that for anything. You're sitting there at 25/50 with a healthy 40 BBs and then a minute later you look over and you're at 20 bigs.
+1, but shove a 40/80 level or 35/70 level in there and I am cool with it

Last edited by aariestiger; 07-15-2016 at 09:31 PM.
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07-15-2016 , 10:41 PM
Really enjoyed the mini battle royale structure.
Can we have it implemented in more majors such as bigs ?
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07-16-2016 , 02:24 PM
@Luke: I am aware of the new payout structure you are adding to the red tournaments (min-payout 1.75x, etc...). Is this being applied to other tournaments?

I have spoken about not playing tournaments in a while (since April 30th to be exact), mostly due to the lousy payouts, but I felt like playing some last night. Tournament 1613240284, the $1.10 6-max re-entry at 20:30 ET had 2046 runners. The bottom payout was $1.28.You had to finish 192nd before you received > $2. That's absolutely ridiculous. To continue, 96th was the first payment > $3.

I finished what to me is an awesome 41st (slight brag, maybe, nice to do after a couple months of not playing) and only earned $5.72. As much as I enjoy playing 6-max tournaments, that is one I will probably not play again as it just wasn't worth the time.
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07-16-2016 , 07:00 PM
Paid over 40k$ rake this year -> have to play ******ed shootouts to get a seat to 1m freeroll
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07-16-2016 , 08:44 PM
Luke, I am your father...'use the force'. You can make all the changes to the schedule the players ask for. I have foreseen this. It is your destiny.
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07-17-2016 , 01:02 AM
In regards to cutting late reg from 2 hours to 1 hour on non major mtts you say

If late registration was dropped to one hour, two things would happen:

We would receive complaints because some players aren't able to join until later

They can simply play another mtt if that is the case

The prize pools would be smaller

The prize pools were bigger with less late registration and less re entry so not sure where your getting your second point on.


Also the first micromillions is incorrectly labelled as a bubble dash when it is simply a HYPER TURBO REBUY with 10% rake.
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07-17-2016 , 02:02 AM
Yea, the rake there is straight oppressive.

But I will point out that the blinds go to 9 minutes when ITM. The format could be interesting but the rake makes it nothing but a slot machine-only Amaya wins.
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07-17-2016 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
But I will point out that the blinds go to 9 minutes when ITM.
on a discord group im in and from talking with multiple friends on skype out of everyone i talked to about this maybe 1 person actually noticed that button to find this information out.

1 person, out of close to 20 people. hell even i wouldn't of noticed it had it not been said in this forum after my MM post the night it got released when i was kinda just bitching about it.
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07-17-2016 , 02:46 AM
I just looked for 10 minutes and can't find it lol
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07-17-2016 , 02:52 AM
its in the same spot where the info on the bigs final tables is. you click on the structure then theres in blue text blind levels and thats where it is. they seriously hid that **** and its honestly seriously sketchy and deceptive imo. i honestly hope the bubble dash's overlay because of it even though we know they probably wont and im probably gonna be a idiot and fire them anyway.
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07-17-2016 , 06:54 AM
I do not play MM-01 because of the hyper-turbo,rebuy and 10% rake simple as that! To be honest a lot of people complain, but play regardless so things will never change....
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07-17-2016 , 07:08 AM
There are zero scheduled satellites for micro millions, which starts in 3 hours.

Wow, just wow. :slowclap.gif:
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