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12-04-2017 , 03:17 PM
QQ in early phase this week Harrahs Cherokee ...raised utg ...3.5 B.B. and cu shoved all in. I snapped called. Was ko’d By good player who had just taken a bad beat. Had 30 BB left. Bad decision?
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12-04-2017 , 03:55 PM
I will generally not fault someone for calling off a good player with QQ in that position. If you'd told me the player was a nit then that's a different story.
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12-05-2017 , 07:12 AM
I shove KK AA vs everyone on early phases of a tournament to get max value from fish sometimes and avoid tricky spots and losing chips early on the tournament against set miners and fish getting 2 pair, straights, etc, I'd say that while I have 200bb+ thats the only 2 hands I shove and play. What I mean is that against me its EV- to call a shove with QQ, and I've seen some players play same way on early stages.
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12-05-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Thy M
I shove KK AA vs everyone on early phases of a tournament to get max value from fish sometimes and avoid tricky spots and losing chips early on the tournament against set miners and fish getting 2 pair, straights, etc, I'd say that while I have 200bb+ thats the only 2 hands I shove and play. What I mean is that against me its EV- to call a shove with QQ, and I've seen some players play same way on early stages.
LOL.

But seriously, don't 3.5x pre and sorry you got coolered. Standard get in here.
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12-06-2017 , 08:10 AM
you have the 3rd best hand that can possibly beat the other two, never fold to single 3b action pre
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12-08-2017 , 03:03 PM
This is a snap call. It's not even close
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12-21-2017 , 06:50 PM
I call with QQ here
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12-22-2017 , 08:44 AM
Dont open 3.5x utg w/ 30bigs
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12-22-2017 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by user12345
Dont open 3.5x utg w/ 30bigs
Don't hate it, it does tighten opponents' 3-bet ranges, forces those 3-bets to be bigger and puts 3-bettors in awkward spots if you jam. It does mean you have to tighten your overall open range, which is probably ok at that stack size anyway. Plus in the early stages of a tournament our normal open size should be bigger to begin with - 3.5x might be too much, but I would almost certainly be close to 3x even at this stack depth.
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12-23-2017 , 12:56 AM
"Early stages" is a little vague, but in a tourney where we have 10,000 chips and blinds are 50/100 so most stacks have 100+BB a lead-out of 350 is not that large depending on what the table dynamic has been. We've all been at tables where two or three players with marginal cards will call 250 or 300 pre and players in CO, Button, SB, and BB will often call after one other limper b/c they feel they are "priced in" and the pot odds and implied odds draw them in this deep, so 350 here signals a strong hand, but can include 88+ and AJss+ and AQ, AK so jammer's range includes a lot of hands that we dominate with QQ
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12-25-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerducker
QQ in early phase this week Harrahs Cherokee ...raised utg ...3.5 B.B. and cu shoved all in. I snapped called. Was ko’d By good player who had just taken a bad beat. Had 30 BB left. Bad decision?
Raise 3bb max here and prolly better to go 2.5x imo. With 30bb I’m prolly always getting qq in pre unless against an old nit that is never doing this with worse.
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12-29-2017 , 01:01 PM
Do you have 30 bigs or were you left with 30 bigs?

It would be fun to have a bit more info
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12-29-2017 , 01:43 PM
Another bad beat story about queens, I'm afraid to play them myself now!

GG
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01-05-2018 , 04:00 PM
Not enough info here to tell you good or bad.

Most importantly how many blinds did you have at the start of the hand? Early phase what were the blinds? Were there antes? How long are the levels? Are we close to a level bump and what will the blinds be?

If you had over 70 blinds to start the hand then this is a pretty bad call. Best case villain has AK. Villain never shows up with TT/JJ here.

Between 60 and 70 blinds to start the hand I would almost always let it go. However it would depend on the guy I was playing and my reads. Also could depend on how close to the end of the level we are and how steep a bump (like are we going from 100/200 to 200/400?)

If villain had < 25 blinds, its hard to get away from this hand so I wouldn't fault you for calling. I'd call too.

If villain had 25 to 30 blinds it would depend on villain for me. Good player who just took a bad beat? I'd flip a coin. Maybe I'd try to see how tilted he seemed.

Personally I never open for more than 3x (unless I am all-in). My opening raise size is never related to hand strength. It is always about effective stack sizes and position.
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