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Old 11-14-2006, 06:21 PM   #101
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

preflop - fold
flop - check
turn - check
river - get all the monies in with the nuts
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Old 11-14-2006, 06:26 PM   #102
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Stack sizes are approximate due to my fuzzy memory, but they were somewhat close to this IIRC:

SB- 14,000
BB- 25,000
EP- 21,000
Me- 17,000
LP- 15,000

Board: 2h-7d-Jc-As

My hand: 4d5d
I can't imagine why your memory would be fuzzy.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:11 PM   #103
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

anyone else think this thread is the product of a lost prop bet?
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:36 PM   #104
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

So you rivered the nuts and stacked the newb EP raiser who checked AA twice?
Beat: making everyone wait a full year to hear the conclusion of your thread
Brag: Somehow getting everyone's attention and then maintaining it for a ****ing year with the most ridiculously uninteresting hand ever
Variance: irrelevant because the time period/sample size negated its effect
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Old 11-14-2006, 11:22 PM   #105
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Perfect turn card.

t1,450 and muck to resistance from EP. If he's gonna slowplay it, even better. If you get later callers, well, hell... Still gonna need the perfect river card.

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anyone else think this thread is the product of a lost prop bet?
More elements, more fun, certainly a hell of a lot juicier than the original one.

Books and Hollows.

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Old 11-15-2006, 01:38 AM   #106
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

FortunaMaximus, thanks for finally getting us back on track to discussing the actual hand. Do others agree with him? I'd like to hear some more thoughts and generate some discussion and debate, and then I'll move on to the next step.
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:55 AM   #107
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Old 11-16-2006, 09:22 AM   #108
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

If my hand had any potential, then I could see betting the turn but the river can, at best, and then rarely, only (IIRC) bring us the ignorant end of a straight or fourth pair so I can't see anyone suggesting anything other than checking the turn. I don't think there's going to be any more discussion at this stage.
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Old 11-16-2006, 09:49 AM   #109
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The turn is the ace non-diamond giving me an inside straight draw.

SB checks, continuing to show weakness. The BB thinks it over for a while. As he is thinking he takes a sip of his tea, and I know this is going go sound weird, but he suddenly throws up all over the floor. Luckily he missed the table and cards. I had not seen him throw up ever before, but I did see him burp heavily and kinda throw up in his mouth a little bit once, and on that hand he was slowplaying a monster. So its a bit tough to say exactly what info to take from the throw up. Anyway, he checks.


Now folded over to the initial raiser who almost insta-checks. He could possibly have just hit trip aces. He does slowplay a lot...but man thats a weird way to play them.

Well now for the second time this has been checked to me. I'm 90% sure that the SB has nothing and that the LP had nothing on the flop. Not sure about the other two. Now whats your move?
Well in this case, being 90% sure that the SB and LP had nothing on the flop, SB checks continuing to show weakness, and raiser checks almost instantly, I would put a bet of $800-$1,000 out and try to pick it up right here, but completely aware that a call or even a check raise might come...I can still get away from my hand if so.

The reason I'd bet is becuase being that the LP is the weakest player at table is most likely gonna just call (hit the ace and is too weak to know it's good enough for a raise or maybe now has nut str8 draw with paint) or raise, which makes it easy for me to get away from the hand!

SB....we're pretty sure he's gonna fold, if not and my read on him was WAY off, then I can fold easily to a check raise!

BB, he's not gonna slow play a monster here, if he check raises I'm out...but most likely his tells aren't that weak to where he throws up when he's holding monsters, so he probally folds or calls....bringing us back to the initial raiser.

Now this guy has either slow played his smaller pair than aces to where now he pretty much has to fold or he's actually holding AA or maybe JJ in which I'm pretty sure that if he slow played them on the flop, checked the turn with the set, he's gonna continue to slow play them and just call...giving me a cheap shot at the straight!

Even though checkin the turn might have got me a cheaper peek at the river being that the LP checked also, a 1/2 - 2/3 pot bet *might* get me the pot right now with 4 high! I realize that betting into this pot might cause me to lose chips pretty much with any calls on the turn, considering I don't hit my 3 on the river, this might be my last chance at the pot! I guess this is why I would have folded preflop with the 45s and not play with you people's emotions for 4 months tellin you about it! But what do I know though...this is my 1st post here!!!
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:59 PM   #110
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anyone else think this thread is the product of a lost prop bet?

You had to make a thread about nothing that lasted an entire year...
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:17 PM   #111
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

I can' believe this thread is this long, I have posted over 2,000 times 2 months AFTER the thread was created. This hand isn't interesting and calling PF is ok, c/f flop, c/f turn, not interesting.
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:01 PM   #112
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Since Somehow this thread is still going, I will throw out a couple thoughts.

Check check is how I would play it, we wanted to stack someone, not bluff them out of a small pot.


I am going to say BB had 77, UTG had AA catching his 2 outer, and the river makes your straight for the miracle runner runner.

However to make this hand interesting the player behind bets out, the two sets reraise, you fold, he folds, and you curse him after the hand is over wishing you would have made that small 1/3 pot bet on the flop to get rid of him. Hence the reason for this thread, to see if anyone would have actually done it.

You could reason that a small flop bet would allow you to see a free river card, since the player behind would fold allowing us to close the turn, and the two monsters would smooth call, planning on check raising 4th, which we already knew we were checking through. The river hits, chips fly, and we accomplish what we had hoped to do.
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Old 11-16-2006, 10:27 PM   #113
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

I actually like a slightly different line:

Pre-flop: Limp-raise All in, [censored]'em.

Flop: Preferably check-raise all in, but since you obviously whiffed...

... push turn once it gets to you.

There, done and done.

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Old 11-18-2006, 09:35 PM   #114
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I actually like a slightly different line:

Pre-flop: Limp-raise All in, [censored]'em.

Flop: Preferably check-raise all in, but since you obviously whiffed...

... push turn once it gets to you.

There, done and done.

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wtf??? Can you explain any of this to me? It seems totally crazy!
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Old 11-18-2006, 09:36 PM   #115
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anyone else think this thread is the product of a lost prop bet?

You had to make a thread about nothing that lasted an entire year...
Oh no...not true at all.
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Old 11-18-2006, 09:39 PM   #116
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FortunaMaximus, thanks for finally getting us back on track to discussing the actual hand. Do others agree with him? I'd like to hear some more thoughts and generate some discussion and debate, and then I'll move on to the next step.
And the funny thing is, this thread was created 3 months before FortunaMaximus got here.

If that does say how old this thread is, then ... well ... i dont know.
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Old 11-19-2006, 11:50 PM   #117
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FortunaMaximus, thanks for finally getting us back on track to discussing the actual hand. Do others agree with him? I'd like to hear some more thoughts and generate some discussion and debate, and then I'll move on to the next step.
And the funny thing is, this thread was created 3 months before FortunaMaximus got here.

If that does say how old this thread is, then ... well ... i dont know.
I know- the thread is old. I'm sorry about that. But if we could actually discuss the hand here, I think we could all learn a lot. I'd love to hear a few more opinions, then I'll respond to some people and give mine!
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:20 AM   #118
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

We've heard the opinions. You can bet or you can check. The people that say bet have argued why they feel it's best, and the people that say check have argued why it's best.

Maybe you're waiting for someone to suggest open folding?
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:24 AM   #119
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FortunaMaximus, thanks for finally getting us back on track to discussing the actual hand. Do others agree with him? I'd like to hear some more thoughts and generate some discussion and debate, and then I'll move on to the next step.
And the funny thing is, this thread was created 3 months before FortunaMaximus got here.

If that does say how old this thread is, then ... well ... i dont know.
I was thinking, poker has seemed to have evolved a good bit in the past few years. I'm beginning to think by the time we see the river our decisions on the flop and turn will retroactively become incorrect.
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Old 11-20-2006, 07:27 PM   #120
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Your time bank has expired - post the frick'n river.Btw, check the turn
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Old 11-20-2006, 07:54 PM   #121
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The man is busy running oats. Jeez, everyone ease up and be happy he updates this thread at all.

No socks for God's sake!!
Actually, Assani never showed up on the oat run. He didn't have the guts to do it, or maybe he was too busy planning 101-man onslaughts.
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:21 PM   #122
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We've heard the opinions. You can bet or you can check. The people that say bet have argued why they feel it's best, and the people that say check have argued why it's best.

Maybe you're waiting for someone to suggest open folding?
I don't want just suggestions...I'd like some solid debate and argument. Say why you think the opposing view is wrong! Thats how we all get better and learn from these HHs.
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:23 PM   #123
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basically i looked at this thread once, and i refuse to go back to page one and read all the replies, its pretty gay that this thread is still up just let it die. post another hand or [censored] off.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:23 PM   #124
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

You have just picked up a nutshot. Your hand will also be very well disguised if you hit it and potentially be very valuable.

There are 2 players who you suspect may be slowplaying and who have already checked the turn, one was the preflop raiser making his checks even more conspicuous. The only player between you and a free river is a conservative player who seems to be out of his comfot zone and will not be taking stabs into 5-way pots with A-high boards.

Checking seems to be the OBVIOUS play here because there is no reason to allow yourself to be raised out of the hand by one of the checkers when a river could get you their stacks. Your implied odds here seem to outweigh any potential bluff EV by orders of magnitude.

Bluffing into this many players after the A hits seems unlikely to succeed and it may wind up with you having to fold before the river which could be disaterous, particularly if someone actually is slowplaying a big hand. IMO you should be more than happy to see a river for free with your 4 outs.

RIVER PLEASE...
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Old 11-20-2006, 11:14 PM   #125
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i dont like the call at all you can lose more here than you gain not my style late position yes
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