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Old 03-07-2006, 06:16 PM   #26
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

I don't think your cold call strikes fear in any typical MTT player.
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Old 03-07-2006, 06:19 PM   #27
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

The call is fine. Next part of the hand please.
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Old 03-07-2006, 06:32 PM   #28
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

why not? you need to explain this blanket statement imo.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:04 PM   #29
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

I will not explain it, it's general enough. Just move onto the next hand, but I just don't like the call.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:13 PM   #30
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I don't think your cold call strikes fear in any typical MTT player.
I'm not sure that was his goal.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:51 PM   #31
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Read the context of the earlier posts.
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Old 05-18-2006, 02:38 AM   #32
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I don't think your cold call strikes fear in any typical MTT player.
This is a pretty high stakes tourney against decent competition. Rest assured that I wouldn't think that my call would strike fear into players at some Party MTT. But at this table, I'm pretty sure that my call did. Anyway, on to the next part....
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Old 05-18-2006, 02:57 AM   #33
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Is this a joke? It's been two month since you started the post. We're on pace to hit the river in 2008.
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Old 05-18-2006, 02:57 AM   #34
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

So I call. As I already explained, I thought that the min. raise of a tricky player combined with an EP call of a good player was enough to scare anyone from raising without a monster, so I was essentially doing the same thing as calling from LP since I didn't really fear a re-raise.

Guy in LP is probably one of the weaker players at the table- not because he is reckless, but because he is very predictable. I talked to him before the tourney and found out that he had won his way in through a sattlite and had never played at anywhere near these stakes. And it showed. He was pretty much playing straightforward ABC poker. Pretty much you could believe his bets for what they represented, and you could push him off a marginal hand easily. He called the bet of 400.

Everyone else folds to the SB. SB was just moved to the table, so I have no reads on him. He calls for 300 more.

BB was a guy who mixed up his play a lot. I thought I had a read on how he acted when he bluffed. Twice I saw him make big bets in fairly standard bluff situations, and both times he would do the classic increased blink rate tell. Once, he was called and it was indeed a bluff. The other time, the guy didn't call him. Now I'm not that great at reading tells, so I don't rely upon these too much, but it was somewhat noteworthy imo. He called for 200 more.

Flop comes 2-7-J rainbow with one club.

SB checks. Now as I said, I hadn't seen him play. But I was 90% sure that the flop missed him and that he was pretty much through with the hand now. Can't really pinpoint why, but it was just a quick "I don't care" check that didn't seem to be acting to me.

BB checks...no real read on him still.

EP raiser checks! I have absolutely no clue what he may have. I think he is one of those guys who may be too tricky for his own good type of people, so I'm still not ruling out AA or KK here.

LP guy is still to act behind you.

Your move.
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Old 05-18-2006, 02:58 AM   #35
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

No.
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:01 AM   #36
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I see that this has been going on for a while, huh good buddy?
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:05 AM   #37
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

I'm not sure what the flop is, but I'm interpreting that it completely missed you. In that case, check.

I guess I'll wait 2 more months for the next chapter of this book. The suspense is killing me.
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:20 AM   #38
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I'm not sure what the flop is
Sorry for being unclear- I edited to make it better.

The flop is 2-7-J rainbow with one diamond.
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:29 AM   #39
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

you knw you have diamonds right?


but uh, i say bet out 1k, if Lp raises you you can just get out, and if you get called you can pick up some draws on the turn that you could semibluff (should look like a set). (oh and i assumed you meant 1 diamond on the flop, or, tht we actually have clubs)
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:33 AM   #40
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Holy [censored]...sorry guys, its late and I'm at the end of a long up and down session.

THE FLOP CAME 2-7-J WITH ONE DIAMOND.

I don't know why it was seemingly so hard for me to get that right, lol. I edited my one post but the other one(the long one where I explain the flop and opponent's actions) I could no longer edit so it remains incorrect.
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Old 05-18-2006, 04:06 AM   #41
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

why are the 4am threads so much funnier than the waking-hour threads?
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Old 05-18-2006, 06:48 AM   #42
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Which card is the diamond?
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Old 05-18-2006, 07:28 AM   #43
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

check that flop given you are likely behind, your tricky player could have hit his set (he easily could have min-raised J's - that is tricky in itself, most people raise more), your hand cannot handle any push back - although maybe you think tricky player is super tricky and will just smooth call your raise
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Old 05-18-2006, 09:22 AM   #44
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Taking a stab here is fine. Or check, that's fine too.
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Old 05-18-2006, 09:27 AM   #45
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Although I agree that your call of the UTG raise looks strong, I don't think it looks strong enough to bluff in a spot where you'll have only backdoor outs against even a very marginal made hand. Moreover, your bet looks like exactly what it is: three players, including the pre-flop raiser, check to you on a dry board. I don't think any good player would expect you to need much of a hand to bet in this spot. If you had any kind of draw, I'd like a bet more, because you obviously don't want to bet in spots like this only when you have an overpair or better.
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Old 05-18-2006, 09:44 AM   #46
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....


you said villain slowplays monsters and you're surprised by him checking?

check behind planning to fold if predictable LP bets.
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Old 05-18-2006, 10:52 AM   #47
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

FWIW - I check/fold also. You were in the hand to see if you could hit a monster to take someone's entire stack and it ain't happening. If it were heads-up and it was checked to me, I might try to steal it, but in this situation I am done unless it gets checked around and the turn gives me straight and flush draws.
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:13 PM   #48
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I believe it was the jack, although I don't remember it 100%.
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:35 PM   #49
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Re: Play though a hand with me here....

OK. So bet or check?

I don't think that checking can ever be wrong in this situation. You have to presume that you'll need a very kind turn and river to pull ahead in the hand if you bet and get called.

You can bet but I can't understand what hand UTG would have that he'll be folding here. From your reads, it seems clear that LP and the blinds are folding or telling you pretty loudly that they have a hand.

If you bet here, it can only be with the intention of getting heads up with UTG. However, I don't see what scare card that you can turn to get UTG off his hand. I presume that he's not checking this flop unless he has a hand.

I check here, every time.
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:38 PM   #50
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I take full credit for Assani's rise from the dead

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Is this a joke? It's been two month since you started the post. We're on pace to hit the river in 2008.
Is far and away the best part of this thread. I just lost it.
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