Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

No Limit Tournaments Discussion about online and live No Limit tournament hands and strategy.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-31-2011, 12:33 PM   #326
ucantcme63
adept
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 741
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Assani Fisher View Post
Can we at least get some real thoughts on how to best play the hand?
so ur UTG with 19k and KK at 100/200?

raise to 500
ucantcme63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2011, 12:11 AM   #327
JoeyJoJo Shabadu
Pooh-Bah
 
JoeyJoJo Shabadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: is dead inside
Posts: 5,355
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Way too deep stacked to take a chance on raising. Must limp.
JoeyJoJo Shabadu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2011, 01:32 AM   #328
butterfly pony
old hand
 
butterfly pony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,201
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

lol
butterfly pony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2011, 10:21 AM   #329
gregdon8
journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 261
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

limp, then puke directed to the right towards BB so he gets sick leaves table (after now being thrown up on by two different people) declaring his hand dead and you win with no risk.
gregdon8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2011, 12:08 PM   #330
ucantcme63
adept
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 741
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdon8 View Post
limp, then puke directed to the right towards BB so he gets sick leaves table (after now being thrown up on by two different people) declaring his hand dead and you win with no risk.
yeah, change my vote to this
ucantcme63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2011, 01:30 PM   #331
gregdon8
journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 261
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by ucantcme63 View Post
yeah, change my vote to this
forgot to mention while raking in your chips lean over and wipe your mouth on the sleeve of the guy to your left, showing him who's boss obv making it less likely he ever 3 bet bluffs you.
gregdon8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2011, 08:47 PM   #332
TheHaNgedMaN
enthusiast
 
TheHaNgedMaN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: nitting a sweater
Posts: 96
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by urubu111 View Post
damn god, i read 5pag searching for results thinking would be a crazy hand and i found results is hero c/f on river facing 6bbs bet ,,,,,,,,,,,,rofl
incorrect

facing a difficult decision whether to bluff raise, time was called and our hero may or may not have fallen asleep
TheHaNgedMaN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2011, 08:49 AM   #333
psyduck
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ray of hope
Posts: 4,129
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Assani, well-thought out hand #1. I think the only misplayed street is river, which is a clear check-raise given it's pretty hard for villain to have the top end of his range checking both the flop and turn. He could also easily just be stabbing at the pot when a player pukes and folds out of turn and the rest of the field has basically conceded the hand. Since we lose to so much of his bluffing range though, raise > call.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Assani Fisher View Post
I'm UTG with 16,600. Blinds are still the same(100/200). Info on the tournament can be found in post #1, and this is the very next hand so all details are the same. The SB(BB from last hand) has not yet returned from the bathroom, so theres essentially a dead 100 in the pot. I get KK. Your move.
I would usually open to 525 (randomizing optimally between 450 and 600 of course, averaging at 525), but I think we level our tablemates into 3bet bluffing a larger % of the time by opening to 500, letting them think that we are going after the dead small blind (100) for a cheaper price. This is definitely an exploitative move, so once our opponents catch us doing it, we must revert back to our randomized strategy...

Eager to hear the next part of the hand.
psyduck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2011, 12:12 AM   #334
ucantcme63
adept
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 741
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdon8 View Post
forgot to mention while raking in your chips lean over and wipe your mouth on the sleeve of the guy to your left, showing him who's boss obv making it less likely he ever 3 bet bluffs you.
we have KK, we should do something to induce a bluff
ucantcme63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2011, 04:48 AM   #335
Crockett616
Snoopy of MTTs
 
Crockett616's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 731
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Great, this is going to be a 2 year bad beat story about how he got drawn out on with KK. Nh, standard, wp, dont whine, sir.
Crockett616 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2011, 04:30 PM   #336
Assani Fisher
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Assani Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 48,128
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Like psyduck said, it seems like the consensus is to raise to between 450-600. Does anyone have any specific reasoning for preferring a certain amount in that range? Or is this simply trivial and should we hurry on to the next step?
Assani Fisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2011, 05:03 PM   #337
cicakman
banned
 
cicakman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,231
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Assani Fisher View Post
Like psyduck said, it seems like the consensus is to raise to between 450-600. Does anyone have any specific reasoning for preferring a certain amount in that range? Or is this simply trivial and should we hurry on to the next step?
clearly it should be one of the palindromes within that range thats possible.
cicakman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 12:09 PM   #338
RigMeARiver
old hand
 
RigMeARiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Nooscape
Posts: 1,445
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

I suggest that once you have settled on a range (450-600) you then use some kind of appropriate randomisation process to choose a precise sizing from within that range. Perhaps if there's a gentleman at the table who appears to be in the 45-60 age range you could ask him for his exact age and then multiply it by 10. What is the smallest denomination chip you have available? Note that even though it will be clear to your opponents what you are doing, THEY STILL CAN'T EXPLOIT YOU... this is the essence of optimal play.
RigMeARiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2011, 04:10 PM   #339
sufifighter9
stranger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 5
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soepgroente View Post
Wtf is this ****
Amazing. I never felt the urge to post on this site until after spending the last 2 hours of my work week thoroughly enjoying every page of this thread. Thank you Assani for reeling me in. It would be interesting to do an analysis on this thread to see when reading this from the beginning how long it takes to realize that this hand never actually took place. Over/Under Guy pukes on the floor.
sufifighter9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2011, 04:26 PM   #340
Aruj Reis
old hand
 
Aruj Reis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Where they don't respect my raises
Posts: 1,688
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

450 to 600 is a fairly large range. Tightening it up a bit is better. Remove some numbers from this range and proceed from there. I like randomizing between 450-480, 510-540, and 570-600.

An unexploitable Triple-range-merge is optimal in this situation, and KK is the perfect holding to pull this off. I know both live and online games and clearly this is Hero's best option.
Aruj Reis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2011, 09:09 AM   #341
JoeyJoJo Shabadu
Pooh-Bah
 
JoeyJoJo Shabadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: is dead inside
Posts: 5,355
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Assani Fisher View Post
Like psyduck said, it seems like the consensus is to raise to between 450-600. Does anyone have any specific reasoning for preferring a certain amount in that range? Or is this simply trivial and should we hurry on to the next step?


I would say that back in the day, 3x BB was the standard raise, but today its 2.2. So it all depends on whether you consider yourself to be a visionary really.
JoeyJoJo Shabadu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 10:36 PM   #342
aejones
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
aejones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Running the Streets
Posts: 20,225
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

I'd open the KK to 500-600 obviously. Although it's not important to open to more than 3x without antes, you're still relatively deep and I think one mistake that tournament players make is minraising too early when the PSR has a potential to be deep. Those small raises have a place late in tournaments with shallow stacks, but with >50 bb average stacks, I'd make a good healthy raise of 2.5-3 big blinds.

There's a good chance your opponents think you're on the quick steal because you're raising a dead small blind.
aejones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2011, 03:24 PM   #343
ucantcme63
adept
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 741
Re: Play though a hand with me here....




i look down i see two kings. i flat call
ucantcme63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2011, 03:26 PM   #344
moffo
journeyman
 
moffo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calling once.. only once.
Posts: 252
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

"So next time my boy raises it up and I look down at the 64 offsuit, I can call again, because he doesn't know whether I've got the Kings or the 64 this time"
moffo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 09:37 PM   #345
ucantcme63
adept
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: san jose, ca
Posts: 741
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by moffo View Post
"So next time my boy raises it up and I look down at the 64 offsuit, I can call again, because he doesn't know whether I've got the Kings or the 64 this time"
ucantcme63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2012, 07:35 AM   #346
OMG_LadyGaga
veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,302
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Too deep to only open for a min-raise with KK. 500 is still too small, because people will think they can 3-bet you light. This might be good but oftentimes when we induce a 3-bet we fail to pick up on that one read that should make it painfully obvious that they have AA or even AK, and and Ace always hits a flop when you have KK. I'd raise to 800-ish, stacks are deep enough to warrant it imo. KQ is gonna call whether we make it 500 or 800 so might as well get the extra 300 chips and will also allow us to maximize value if we flop a set and they hit top pair.
OMG_LadyGaga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2012, 11:13 AM   #347
aseHigh
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
aseHigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: escaping Mediocrity
Posts: 11,865
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by OMG_LadyGaga View Post
Too deep to only open for a min-raise with KK. 500 is still too small, because people will think they can 3-bet you light. This might be good but oftentimes when we induce a 3-bet we fail to pick up on that one read that should make it painfully obvious that they have AA or even AK, and and Ace always hits a flop when you have KK. I'd raise to 800-ish, stacks are deep enough to warrant it imo. KQ is gonna call whether we make it 500 or 800 so might as well get the extra 300 chips and will also allow us to maximize value if we flop a set and they hit top pair.
I'd shove , what if an A flops ?
aseHigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2012, 04:12 PM   #348
AmazingErvin
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
AmazingErvin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: twitch.tv/amazingervin
Posts: 6,140
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

How sick did SB(BB from last hand) look? Do you think he's coming back soon or was there a lot of puking involved? I think your read on his digestion system is the biggest factor in deciding the initial raise size and setting up future dynamics
AmazingErvin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 03:11 PM   #349
Assani Fisher
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Assani Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 48,128
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by AmazingErvin View Post
How sick did SB(BB from last hand) look? Do you think he's coming back soon or was there a lot of puking involved? I think your read on his digestion system is the biggest factor in deciding the initial raise size and setting up future dynamics
At the time it was definitely safe to assume that he won't be back for the current hand(bathroom wasn't super close and he looked pretty damn sick), so his SB is completely dead money. As it turns out, funny enough, he died in the bathroom from choking on his own puke and blinded off.
Assani Fisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 03:58 PM   #350
jon_midas
veteran
 
jon_midas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Massapequa, NY
Posts: 2,085
Re: Play though a hand with me here....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Assani Fisher View Post
At the time it was definitely safe to assume that he won't be back for the current hand(bathroom wasn't super close and he looked pretty damn sick), so his SB is completely dead money. As it turns out, funny enough, he died in the bathroom from choking on his own puke and blinded off.
lol
jon_midas is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive