Play though a hand with me here.... - Page 11 - MTT Poker Strategy

Fold preflop...... thread never exists ....2 years of our lives arent wasted.... OP goes on to take down tourney .....his life is changed forever.......he has no reason to tilt us......THE END.

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08-14-2009 , 06:18 PM

#252

Tiltyjoker

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Originally Posted by adanthar

this is the thread that never ends
it goes on and on my friends
some people started posting here not knowing what it was
and they'll keep posting here forever just because

this is the thread that never ends
it goes on and on my friends
some people started posting here not knowing what it was
and they'll keep posting here forever just because

this is the thread that never ends
it goes on and on my friends
some people started posting here not knowing what it was
and they'll keep posting here forever just because

this is the thread that never ends
it goes on and on my friends
some people started posting here not knowing what it was
and they'll keep posting here forever just because

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09-11-2009 , 05:13 PM

#253

Assani Fisher

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Originally Posted by Isura

I'd fold pf for sure. Problem isn't a reraise only, but you often get multi-way with bad relative position. 45s actually doesn't play that well multi-way without position. You rarely flop two pair+, have to worry about dominated draws. Just not a good spot. Def calling any Axs though. ANd call becomes lot better if you're ensured to be HU with the fish.

Thanks for the input. What would be the low end of your calling range in this spot then?

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09-11-2009 , 06:14 PM

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CompleteDonk

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Assani

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09-11-2009 , 08:55 PM

#255

Online Pokers

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zomg i wasnt evan born when this thread was created
poasting in epicament thread.

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09-11-2009 , 09:52 PM

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Cruizn63

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this is seriously the funniest thread ive ever read on 2p2.

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09-12-2009 , 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cruizn63

this is seriously the funniest thread ive ever read on 2p2.

Well then you're doing it wrong. This is serious business.

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09-12-2009 , 05:10 AM

#258

BigFiszh

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Seriously, if Assani actually wanted to discuss this hand with us, I (and I hope I´m not the only one) simply aren´t able to reconstruct what happened so far and where we´re now. I surely won´t read all 6 pages again just to find out what happened so far and what decision is next.

As a level I love this thread and it makes my day every half year (when it pops up again).

I mean this hand happened 3 1/2 years ago, games (in terms of game flow, playing habits and what not) have changed since then, huh?

- Tack -

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09-12-2009 , 01:29 PM

#259

Assani Fisher

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Originally Posted by Tackleberry

I apologize if the size of the thread makes it tough to follow the action. Heres a complete recap below. Please feel free to comment on any and all streets. I'm always looking to improve my game and discuss my play.....

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

I'll be posting this hand in steps. Once discussion about a particular decision has died down I'll say what I did next and what else happpened.

$4000 buy in MTT, about 300 entrants, 40 spots pay. Start with 10,000 chips.

Play has been going on for about 2 hours. Blinds are now 100/200. I have been at the same table the entire time, but quite a few people have busted and new people have been shuffled in. I have 17,000 in chips, which is slightly above average in the tourney but is slightly below average at the table.

I'm in EP with 4-5 of diamonds.

UTG is a tricky player who limp with monsters and many times will slowplay too much and get himself in trouble. He will also occassionally make moves that are simply weird and pretty unexplainable. He looks at his cards, takes a longer time than usual to act, and min. raises to 400. I have never seen him min. raise or raise from EP.

I'm next to act.

I do have reads on several of the players behind me...Generally speaking, several of them are very loose with their calls. I will give more details on specific players as they become pertinent to the hand.

Even though I'm out of position, I decide that the stacks are so deep and theres a decent chance that he has a monster that maybe I could take his whole stack here. I'll take a gamble and call. Thoughts on this? Too loose? I'll stop here for now...

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

So I call. As I already explained, I thought that the min. raise of a tricky player combined with an EP call of a good player was enough to scare anyone from raising without a monster, so I was essentially doing the same thing as calling from LP since I didn't really fear a re-raise.

Guy in LP is probably one of the weaker players at the table- not because he is reckless, but because he is very predictable. I talked to him before the tourney and found out that he had won his way in through a sattlite and had never played at anywhere near these stakes. And it showed. He was pretty much playing straightforward ABC poker. Pretty much you could believe his bets for what they represented, and you could push him off a marginal hand easily. He called the bet of 400.

Everyone else folds to the SB. SB was just moved to the table, so I have no reads on him. He calls for 300 more.

BB was a guy who mixed up his play a lot. I thought I had a read on how he acted when he bluffed. Twice I saw him make big bets in fairly standard bluff situations, and both times he would do the classic increased blink rate tell. Once, he was called and it was indeed a bluff. The other time, the guy didn't call him. Now I'm not that great at reading tells, so I don't rely upon these too much, but it was somewhat noteworthy imo. He called for 200 more.

Flop comes 2-7-J rainbow with one club.

SB checks. Now as I said, I hadn't seen him play. But I was 90% sure that the flop missed him and that he was pretty much through with the hand now. Can't really pinpoint why, but it was just a quick "I don't care" check that didn't seem to be acting to me.

BB checks...no real read on him still.

EP raiser checks! I have absolutely no clue what he may have. I think he is one of those guys who may be too tricky for his own good type of people, so I'm still not ruling out AA or KK here.

LP guy is still to act behind you.

Your move.

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Holy [censored]...sorry guys, its late and I'm at the end of a long up and down session.

THE FLOP CAME 2-7-J WITH ONE DIAMOND.

I don't know why it was seemingly so hard for me to get that right, lol. I edited my one post but the other one(the long one where I explain the flop and opponent's actions) I could no longer edit so it remains incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Sorry for the delay. Ok, so I check the flop. LP checks fairly quickly behind me. I don't think he has much at all.

The turn is the ace non-diamond giving me an inside straight draw.

SB checks, continuing to show weakness. The BB thinks it over for a while. As he is thinking he takes a sip of his tea, and I know this is going go sound weird, but he suddenly throws up all over the floor. Luckily he missed the table and cards. I had not seen him throw up ever before, but I did see him burp heavily and kinda throw up in his mouth a little bit once, and on that hand he was slowplaying a monster. So its a bit tough to say exactly what info to take from the throw up. Anyway, he checks.

Now folded over to the initial raiser who almost insta-checks. He could possibly have just hit trip aces. He does slowplay a lot...but man thats a weird way to play them.

Well now for the second time this has been checked to me. I'm 90% sure that the SB has nothing and that the LP had nothing on the flop. Not sure about the other two. Now whats your move?

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Stack sizes are approximate due to my fuzzy memory, but they were somewhat close to this IIRC:

SB- 14,000
BB- 25,000
EP- 21,000
Me- 17,000
LP- 15,000

Board: 2h-7d-Jc-As

My hand: 4d5d

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Ok, so I decide to check the turn. I don't want to be check raised and I have a draw, so I'll gladly see a free card if I can. And I do! The LP guy sits there and thinks for honestly a good minute, which was pretty strange to me. But he then checked.

River is another ace. The board is now: 2-7-J-A-A with no possible flushes.

The SB checks. BB presumably was still feeling sick from the tea. He mucked his hand and ran towards the nearest bathroom. UTG then checks yet again! No real reads on either of them at this point other than what I mentioned on the flop post.

So now its up to me. The guy who I thought was the most feared player has just mucked. Two opponents have checked the river including the UTG preflop raiser who I'm completely stumped about right now. LP quickly checked the flop, which made me think he had nothing but then he took forever to check on the turn. Theres 2000 in the pot. I have absolutely nothing.

Do you bluff here? If so, how often? And how much?

In case you don't feel like going back, here was my analysis of LP:

"Guy in LP is probably one of the weaker players at the table- not because he is reckless, but because he is very predictable. I talked to him before the tourney and found out that he had won his way in through a sattlite and had never played at anywhere near these stakes. And it showed. He was pretty much playing straightforward ABC poker. Pretty much you could believe his bets for what they represented, and you could push him off a marginal hand easily."

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

I decided to just check. LP bets 1200, SB folds, BB folds. Your move. Obviously calling is out of the question, so its either raise or fold. Give me your thoughts and then I'll wrap up the hand.

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

So the action gets back to me, and I'm wondering how a check/raise would look here after I had checked every street. Does it not look like a total bluff? Most likely I think it does, but I take my time to consider it. But after a few minutes someone else at the table calls clock on me. I was completely stumped, and the clock eventually ran out thus making my hand be folded. Some people later claimed that they thought I fell asleep. I'm not sure if I did or not, but if I had to say I'd say that I was awake the whole time. I was eliminated on the very next hand in a very interesting spot("Play through a Hand With me Here Part II" maybe?)

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09-12-2009 , 01:42 PM

#260

CompleteDonk

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Assani, I find your strategy threads very interesting. I would appreciate and I'm sure most others would if you posted that bust out hand from the same tournament. Play through a hand with me part 2 sounds great. Thanks.

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09-12-2009 , 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CompleteDonk

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09-16-2009 , 05:46 AM

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Assani Fisher

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Holy cow, I got 39 PMs asking me to post the bust out hand! Alright, I'll post it. Don't feel like writing a lot now though, some other time.

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09-16-2009 , 10:12 AM

#263

BigFiszh

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I expect the preflop for say May, 2010 and the river around Dec, 2013.

- Tack -

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10-22-2009 , 04:26 PM

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johnny555

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For the love of god finish the hand!

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10-22-2009 , 07:17 PM

#265

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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji

I would like to go back to your preflop call.

I really don't like it oop with so many people to act behind you. I just think that you will have better chances to put your money in.

You are making this call solely on your reads; your reads won't go away in the near future but your cards and position will improve. I would just fold this the first time around.

Steve

Lol just found this thread today. Going through the first 30-40 posts all i could think was god this sounds like some bull**** logic Cornel Fiji used to make up after the fact.

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10-22-2009 , 10:29 PM

#266

drukole34

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i would fold preflop because you have 5 high. but you are deep so i might call because you can win a lot.

sincerely,
truckin

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10-23-2009 , 11:07 AM

#267

emanon

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The next time I show down with 45s I'm calling it the "Assani Fisher".

Thoughts on the hand:
1. At some point, the turn or the river, i take a shot and bet 1/3 the pot.
2. Assani, in the 2.5 years since you posted, would you change anything about how you played the hand?
3. What do you think was the most useful feedback on this thread?

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10-23-2009 , 12:11 PM

#268

mrussel2k1

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This guy needs to jump off a bridge... Seriously?!? Makes people wait ~2 years for the conclusion of the most boring hand in history and then has no kicker. Leveled here for sure

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10-23-2009 , 02:17 PM

#269

whynot?

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Originally Posted by drukole34

i would fold preflop because you have 5 high. but you are deep so i might call because you can win a lot.

sincerely,
truckin

this really made me laugh

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10-23-2009 , 02:19 PM

#270

Sydney_Says

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lol just read the whole thread. wow is all i have to say.

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10-23-2009 , 05:34 PM

#271

sambo707

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What is this ... 3 years later and we still don't know the conclusion of the hand?!? rofl

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10-23-2009 , 07:21 PM

#272

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Conclusion:

So the action gets back to me, and I'm wondering how a check/raise would look here after I had checked every street. Does it not look like a total bluff? Most likely I think it does, but I take my time to consider it. But after a few minutes someone else at the table calls clock on me. I was completely stumped, and the clock eventually ran out thus making my hand be folded. Some people later claimed that they thought I fell asleep. I'm not sure if I did or not, but if I had to say I'd say that I was awake the whole time. I was eliminated on the very next hand in a very interesting spot("Play through a Hand With me Here Part II" maybe?)

Awsome. Just awsome. I just spend over an hour reading the whole thread and I can just say it's absolutely awsome.

Also I agree with all the actions, except the river-fold. When LP thought that long on the turn and then checked he must've been thinking about the obvious bluff and chickened out. This means his hand is complete garbage and it doesn't really matter that your bluff won't make sense because he's not a deep-thinking player so he won't make the call with T or 9 high.

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10-24-2009 , 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by realsheesha

It only took you an hour? Wow. Brag.

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10-25-2009 , 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by realsheesha

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Originally Posted by WeAkTigHt1

It only took you an hour? Wow. Brag.

If it only took you an hour to read, then I think you probably just scanned through it. I'd suggest going back through it and paying closer attention. Some of the best minds in online poker have given very good analysis in this thread.