Villian has been with me for ~25 hands. he slightly misplayed AKo by not betting flop which he missed and then not betting turn King and then calling 1,000 bet on river. He's also showed down AQo and KJ. He is 3% per OPR.


$70 six man on stars.
I have 19k in CO and villian has 13k in BB.

I have Kh Ks and open raise to 700. Villian flat calls.

flop: [T 3 8] and (1500 in pot)

villian leads out for 400 (donk betting into me)

I 3 bet to 1200 and he min raises to 2000. I call 800.

Turn is 9 (5500 in pot)

he leads 2000 and I?.....

Wow this is really tricky. Hard to get a read on these donks in these spots....I guess call and most likely call river?

well if he is as passive as you describe id probably fold...passive players betting big is scary

edit: but he could have something like JJ, QQ, A10 and think he is ahead, so im not really sure

more details on his opr plz.. average buyin? sample size?

at the time I had the decision to make, all I could see was 3% and then their site went down. Today when I look, I see he had two .30 cent wens out of 25 tournaments, mostly .10 / 360 man turbos with a couple $11 rebuys. also he did well yesterday, getting 11/2799 in a $8 and and 29/276 in the $70 six man.

go all in

i just read the title fwiw

I'm not sure about you but I just couldn't lay down kings in this spot. If villain hit his set then you're screwed but his range is way wider than that. He could easily be on a OESD or FD or TP so calling seems automatic.

You can flat call the turn but I would prefer to raise AI since the board is getting drawy and you won't fold to a river AI bet anyway (most of the time)...you may as well be the aggressor IMO.

I decided 1) he was in the blinds 2) if he's bad he might defend his blind with a wide range 3) he showed strength by donk betting, calling my flop 3 bet and by leading turn. so I folded. then later I wondered if i was too nitty.


my 4 yo is watching me type this and wants an icon:

flop is kind of draw-heavy to be flat-calling imo. I decide on flop.

pretty easy fold, he hit a set on the flop.

Get it in on the flop. His range is top pair, 2nd pair, ops that you beat, and draws. The board is too dangerous to let a scare card hit the turn. Raise his initial bet more to like 2k. Fist pump ship his 3 bet.

Get it in on the flop, your hand is not going to improve, so get it in now while he seems willing, if he's ahead then too bad, it's a cooler.

Oh, and when did people with 3% roi become donkies? Considering about 85% of players have negative ROIs I don't think we can assume anyone with a +roi is a bad player (although your subsequent research on his buy in level suggests he is way out of his depth, but his sample size is way too small to draw any conclusions).

sounds like the climax of a jerry bruckheimer blockbuster lol


I think we're ahead here a lot of the time and (while I'm no 6-max specialist) I'd advocate a pot control turn raise... that way if the river is a scare card you can check through a lot of the time

if he 4bets you on the turn than i just kill myself

I think OP may have meant his OPR score is actually 3%, ie, he is in the bottom 3% of all players on `stars (well, according to OPR anyways).

To take a similar line to above, this actually scares me more, as if he is truly this bad then the re-raise / turn lead projects 2pair minimum IMO.

call turn / call river.

His line looks really strong especially because he is so passive, but because his calling range doesnt just include sets but hands like QQ,JJ,AT and maybe even FD's, I probably shove over his 4bet on the flop here

How can you rule out sets here?

i'm amazed you have like 14 responses and nobodys corrected your terminology, this is not a 3bet. send me $5 on ftp and i'll teach you what a 3bet is!!!!.

Make it 1600 on flop raise and shove to the minraise?

flat the flop
dont know why everyones so eager to raise here.

when you lead into someone and they flat what hand do you immediately think they have if they are the preflop raiser?

nuff said?

anyways, as played...get it in on the flop because it looks like youve found an eager customer. and folding sucks.

Tough to lay down KK but this seems like an easy fold to me.

you said it!! he did not bet AK when he missed. and checked his K. you are a dead goose here. yes, he might be slow playing QQ or JJ (unlikely) but he can be slow playing AA (very likely at a 6-max table)

also, a donk could easily be holding 8Ts or Ah8h and you are an underdog to first and almost flipping to the second

FOLD and live to fight another hand

Shove on flop...

going broke with one pair is just ridiculous...

So you fold into the monies then? Why is going broke with one pair ridiculous... if its +$EV then its fine..

really? if it's a cash game then you are right, but here sir you are terribly mistaken. The value of the chips you gain in a tournament is less than the value of chips you lease. so your calculations of EV is skewed. In a tournament, ultimately survival is what matters and the larger your stack the less you should be making huge bets based on marginal +EV.

Phil Helmuth said he would fold TT against an AK shove even though he is a slight favorite because good players accumulate their chips in situations where they are big favorites, they don't gamble. The problem in making such decision in tournaments solely based in +EV is that variance dictates you will go up and down in the short run. In tournaments, no matter how up you go, you can still go down, but there is a point after which if you go down you can't go up...

get dealt AK every hand in a tournament and flip with it and I GUARANTEE you, you won't win the tournament

lol