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OOP river decision in 3bet Pot OOP river decision in 3bet Pot

09-10-2022 , 09:47 AM
This hand is from early in a $1500 multi day tournament. The Villain had been pretty tight with his value betting range, had yet to show any bluffs, but was probably calling too much. These notes are copied direct from when I recorded on my phone so forgive any pot roundings/ errors.

**Hand**

A T
**Stack**

35k approx
**Blinds**

200 400 400
**Position**

Bb

**Notes / Reads**

Main villain has been tight passive when betting, slightly loose when calling.
**Preflop**

LJopens to 900, HJ calls, btn calls, sb calls, hero in bb raises to 5k, only HJ calls. He has about 40k behind.
**Flop**

A 8 Q. Pot 13.3k.

Hero bets 3.5k, HJ calls.
**Turn**

J. Pot 20.3k.

Hero bets 6.5k. villain calls.
**River**

7. Pot 33.3k.

Hero ?
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09-12-2022 , 01:14 AM
Probably block bet the river as you described villain. You might get called by worse, and it sounds like you're never getting raised unless he has a flush or maybe KT. You've kept a lot of worse hands in with your bet sizing, and this villain as described will probably call one more bet with those.
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09-14-2022 , 11:04 PM
What worse hands are calling here though? Outside of a suited low Ax combo, I don't think I'm getting much value here at all.
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09-15-2022 , 04:37 PM
I agree you're not getting much value but the alternatives are check/folding and check/calling, both of which seem questionable. Check/calling isn't ideal unless villain can have some bluffs in their range, and not entirely sure what we'd expect him to bluff with here, so only other option is check/folding and our hand feels a bit too good for that since he doesn't have a wide value range here nor should he be firing a lot of better hands when checked to for fear of flush hitting. Block bet/fold might be the least evil option here sadly, tough spot.
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09-15-2022 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by freemail88
What worse hands are calling here though? Outside of a suited low Ax combo, I don't think I'm getting much value here at all.
You're the one who said he called too much in OP. If he calls too wide then I doubt KQ or JT is folding here for 3k.

Blocking is simply your best option, as The_Dean lays out:

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Originally Posted by The_Dean221
I agree you're not getting much value but the alternatives are check/folding and check/calling, both of which seem questionable. Check/calling isn't ideal unless villain can have some bluffs in their range, and not entirely sure what we'd expect him to bluff with here, so only other option is check/folding and our hand feels a bit too good for that since he doesn't have a wide value range here nor should he be firing a lot of better hands when checked to for fear of flush hitting. Block bet/fold might be the least evil option here sadly, tough spot.
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09-16-2022 , 09:15 PM
There's a heretofore unmentioned, completely unjustifiable decision in this hand, that probably pales in comparison EV-wise to any river considerations.

It's ok though because 10% of the field will make the same mistake in one form and 99.9% of the field will make the same mistake in another--and when everyone is spewing no one is spewing.
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09-16-2022 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
There's a heretofore unmentioned, completely unjustifiable decision in this hand, that probably pales in comparison EV-wise to any river considerations.

It's ok though because 10% of the field will make the same mistake in one form and 99.9% of the field will make the same mistake in another--and when everyone is spewing no one is spewing.
Eggs, are you referring to the turn barrel? Because V has way more KT there? We have more AQ/AA/QQ though. If so, do you advocate x/c on turn?

Or is that you don't like the pf raise or sizing? Clearly H does not want a call when he makes his pf raise, so does he need to size it up? But he doesn't want to size it too much if HJ has a premium as he will have to fold to the shove.
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09-20-2022 , 05:40 PM
I would call preflop.

As played on river id check fold for any normal bet over about 40% pot. and win 33k quite often.
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09-22-2022 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubblebust
Eggs, are you referring to the turn barrel? Because V has way more KT there? We have more AQ/AA/QQ though. If so, do you advocate x/c on turn?

Or is that you don't like the pf raise or sizing? Clearly H does not want a call when he makes his pf raise, so does he need to size it up? But he doesn't want to size it too much if HJ has a premium as he will have to fold to the shove.
PF sizing is way too small for OOP and four other people in the pot. Should be closer to 7000.
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09-24-2022 , 08:08 AM
Call pre as played check flop as played check turn as played check river
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