In theory I'd like the cash thread to stay separate but in reality I don't mind (and maybe would like) if the cash thread was merged with this one. The biggest issue is that no one ever posts there anymore and second it would nice to get some perspective from regs on hands that they wouldn't see or reply to if said hands were posted in the separate cash thread.

I like it though your river bet jam does look a little fishy. Would you jam here with a winning hand vs raise smaller? Ie if you have KQ here are you ripping the river for 9x his bet or are you making a smaller raise?

Entim, on that 33 hand im almost always openjamming unless table is super soft then i prob pass. There are some spots you could be r/f but i think youd need the average stack size to be smaller and also have villains who are usually rejamming their playable range and not rejamming wide enough.

IDK about that k9o i hardly ever get out of line like that but i guess if you arent you arent playing balanced enough. Agree with CQ that the overbet looks pretty weak. After he bets river i think you can rule out Ax and smaller PP so you need him to be on complete air here which he prob isnt checking back on flop. IDK, hands like these are usually super dependent on his view of you and his view on your view of him, etc.

Going back to the existential discussion of this thread. As someone who's wanted a LC strat thread for a while to discuss all the things we cant discuss anywhere else, im not sure how i feel about having the thread be for HH as well. I mean the reason we need a LC strat thread is because the purpose of this entire forum is solely to post hand histories. Agree with what Devin said earlier, i dont get how a hand isnt threadworthy but you want to post it for review in the regs thread. And theres also the problem that once randoms see their are a bunch of pros sitting around talking strat and reviewing hands, theyre gonna just start dumping every hand they want in there for review. I guess you can say to ignore them but the current format of being able to see whose hand it is before you open the thread and knowing which people are going crazy by having half the threads on the first page is a good way to weed out not having to look at hh you dont want to.

Siq im kinda interested in knowing what you wanted this thread to be. Were you just wanting it to be for sttf and sng regular to post w/e in or do you want a thread were anyone can post w/e they want as long as its not bbv or discussing specific villains?

I still think having a LC strat thread where we can discuss pretty much all aspects of grinding sngs except for specific hands and changing the cash thread into a non sng hand thread. Itd be cool if we could have a thread to post semistandard hands you wanted a quick opinion on but I think that would either turn into an unreadable cluster**** pretty quickly or become a nightmare for whoever is in charge of policing it.

K9 line looks good to me Tim. I'd guess his range is mostly Jx going for a thin value bet and hands with no-showdown value - very little value in there (maybe 77 that hit the river). Most regs are showdown happy and would take 5x or 7x and pps to showdown without betting. The most common Qx hand you'll see is a slow playing QJ but I don't see how he doesn't raise the turn with this unless he thought you were capable of double barrelling turn and river...

Ruse - part of it is hands that would go into other forums but in the other forums we don't really know the posters so can't gauge the value of the advice as well as we can from posting non-STT hands and getting a STTF perspective...

Whatever is decided doesn't have to be pernament, if we all try to allow HHs and it turns out to be a gigantic cluster**** the rules can still be changed. I do not expect enormous chaos to come from the thread though to be honest. We get threads with hands that get ignored here every so often, that clusters up the actual forum and is a worse thing imo than if someone would do it in a thread. Not really hard to just scroll over a post when you decide it's not going to be an interesting one. When it happens as a thread though that topic remains on the front page until it is bumped off.

And what I mean with "uninteresting hands", in general you can pretty much predict how much discussion a certain hand is going to bring, like the hand Ruse posted couple of days ago, I think it was easy to see that the thread was going to receive a lot of response... But often a spot is more boring like a push/fold spot where you want some feedback to improve on your ingame decision making skills or wether or not to make a thin call or not. Yes we can all put hands into software and calculate our decisions pretty well but that is not what we do ingame, ingame we analyse the spot ourselves and make a decision. Discussing a hand with others can improve our ingame decision making skills imo. But when you make such a thread you do not expect it to get more than 10 replies and imo making such a thread tends to cluther up the forum. There have been times where the front page were the social threads and then just a bunch of boring topics with almost no replies in them, not a very inviting welcome to advanced players looking for an advanced community to improve their skills.

I think some part of the HH issue is that if there is an abundance of knowledgable STTF'ers sitting around a thread, it's awful tempting to want to post your hand here and know that experienced eyes are going to review your play, and likely give you feedback.

Perhaps we can not allow any STT hands but routinely be able to post threads in the forum and link to those threads asking for comment here. For MTT hands I don't really have an opinion on them being posted in this thread (though I wouldn't mind if they were allowed), and for cash game hands they could be allowed here (if the cash thread was merged with this one) or they could be treated similarly to the above STT hand if the cash thread was kept separate - cash hands could be posted in the cash thread but may be linked in this thread if someone was looking for decent feedback.

I think you're being extremely nitty Ruse, this thread has I think 4 hh's in it total now out of 83 posts and I think that's about how the trend will continue in terms of the % of posts being just a HH

There's also the 'report post' button if we get some random just dumping a million hands itt and within 1-2 hours, they are probably cleaned up and gone.

Edit: And of the hh's posted itt, I think only 2 have been from a 6-18man

Double Edit: Ruse, change into your RL self that is just pure savage mode, and youll be on my/siq's side for what this thread should be :P (heart)

Well to be fair to ruse, the majority of the posts itt currently are about the thread's viability. If we weren't debating the merits of this thread the HH/post ratio might be much less unappealing.

Yeah thats why i suggest turning the cash thread into a non sng hand thread. Or making a post in the other forum and linking it here.

Like CQ said AMT reopened the thread so we could discuss the purpose of the thread so that ratio isnt representative of what it will be. I mean look at how the thread started. Were having a good discussion about note taking and color coding and then someone comes in and posts some standard hands. Obv we can report and theyll be cleaned up but you really expect a mod to have to police this thread and decide who's a reg and who's not etc. I just dont get why when this entire forum is dedicated to posting sng hands, we need to have sng hh in the one thread we get to discuss non hh aspects of grinding sngs. Having one thread dedicated to discussing non hh aspects of sngs and solely that doesnt seem like too much to ask.

I guess having an LC strat thread and then a sttf regs thread could work but again are you gonna exclude who gets to post in there and expect a mod to police that?

I think we could mostly self-regulate and keep people on track sans Mods.



I think posting MTT hands, cash hands, etc. is fine, so long as no one person goes overly crazy with it. I'd vote for putting the kibosh on being able to post STT hands in here.

If you allow people to post STT hands, the reality is people aren't going to be able to help themselves. Some people will get shouted down, while people with more STTF internet friends will be allowed more leeway and get feedback under the guise of "I found this hand generally interesting," etc. Start a separate strategy thread, there's a good place for that

STT regs stuff, general issues, and hands from non-STTs (within reason) would be my vote. If you have a STT thread that's been up for a few days+ and want to post a link (occasionally), that's fine too IMO.

Guess you could have two threads - one for MTT/Cash/Etc. and one for STTF Regs, but since this sub-forum doesn't get huge traffic anymore, combining the two makes sense. Whatever that thread title would be.

Personally I'd like the cash game thread should be separate too.

+1 noobs not gonna follow the rules, what ever they are. Granted there's not much problem with people posting beats and stuff in the **** thread.

@entim, seems guut to me if you have not been fighting over pots, and probably mega spew if you have

It's a spot where our opponent has represented showdown value or giving up some percentage of the time on the flop. There are multiple draws on the turn and they all miss on the river.

It's difficult for our opponent to credibly represent a bluff by taking this line so I imagine he will check back almost all of his missed draws along with most of his hands that got to showdown behind Entim's check/calling or check/jamming range.

From a GTO standpoint Entim overbetting the river makes more sense than check jamming. If I'm his opponent I read it as I made myself look weak on the flop and my opponent has multiple missed draws in his range that he can be check/jamming and some made hands possibly that he is capable check/jamming and turning into a bluff.

I don't really see why he would go for a check raise with a big hand considering all those factors and the % of times I check back Jx or something I will be more likely to HERO call rather than bet with having taken this line as the villain.

I can't think of anything I'd personally want to discuss but mb I'm being shortsighted.

It's w/e to me, I don't post in STTF really anyway so my opinion should matter less than to a 'real' sttf reg.

Most of the draws are on the flop too. If hero has been playing weak tight its a fine spot for vill to float turn. Entim's doesn't look strong on the river when he checks. Hero should have bluffs he c/fs river. If hero's image is tight then he has lots of FE cause nits don't bluff. I also don't think you can discount Q/J totally. If hero has been spazzy then I like vill call turn with J/Q. I also don't expect vill to bet/fold if hero's image is spaz.

Guess naming the Jdawg LC strat thread wont work now. (sorry, very mad bro atm)

Youve also got your setup and everything else grindwise better than anyone i know. The rest of us dont.

I get where youre coming from and in theory having a thread where regs can discuss w/e they want would be great but in practice im fairly sure its gonna turn into an unreadable cluster**** unless youre expecting a mod to make numerous and difficult decisions on who gets to post what in there. I guess there's no harm in trying and see what happens but i feel like the mods are already kinda going out on a limb to let us try one thing and if it turns to **** they may just scrap everything.

I personally think itd be great to have

SNG regs thread
SNG lc strat thread
SNG bbv thread

It also be a great place to move the LC and bbv threads that always get posted.

Where do mtt/husngs go in your setup? lc strat right?

Sweet name and seems completely reasonable.

(hifive)

I agree but thatll never happen in this subforum, lets be honest here

prob the reg thread if were leaving teh cash thread as is. I think lc strat thread should be every aspect of grinding sngs aside from actual specific hh. Like a catchall for game selection, table setup, software, hud stats, notes, etc.

Can you guys chime in on a thread for me?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...hands-1305524/

Ever read the HUSNG Regs thread? Read it. Same concept should apply here.

I dunno if any sort of hands should be allowed in here (I don't care much personally as long as it doesn't become thread for that)

This sort of thread has been needed for long time!

Have this hand which has been all I've thought about the last 5 days and I had no idea where I'd post it on 2p2 until this thread came up and I think it's perfect for it.

This is from last Sunday's BOP final table. Payouts
(1) $12k, (2) $7.5k, (3) $4,5k, (4) $3,35k, (5) $2.735k, (6) $2.2k (7) $1.7k

I had started the table off by talking about a multi way deal (since I had to go for dinner at the in-laws!). Nobody really responded. So I decided to use the image I created from this to just open a tonne of pots. I built my stack to 2.7k without seeing a showdown then a couple of hands got reshoved on so slowed down a bit.

The shorty in the hand was down to like 0.2 BB previously and kept getting miraculous double ups. This I thought was a huge factor in making it a shove as people were 'waiting for him to bust'. Also worth nothing the table standard is lolbad probably akin to a $1.50 9 man and only 2 guys haven't made ridiculous fishy plays (yet).

Given all this shoving or folding? I actually even contemplated MR/f but given I had been re-shoved on twice and the table knew this I ruled this out... I hovered over the fold button then said to myself 'stop being such a pussy' and shoved.

Also worth noting whilst the tourny is top heavy I only just started playing again so the $500 jumps in the pay-out represent about 1/6 of my current bankroll...

Poker Stars, $0.01 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players

MP1: 2,992 (15 bb)
MP2: 754 (3.8 bb)
MP3: 1,715 (8.6 bb)
Hero (CO): 1,972 (9.9 bb)
BTN: 1,212 (6.1 bb)
SB: 2,811 (14.1 bb)
BB: 2,044 (10.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 3
3 folds, Hero raises to 1,972 and is all-in

Not sure how you can do anything other than just jam there. Wp IMO.