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Old 02-19-2009, 04:32 AM   #1051
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

My GF's first graders are listening to new CD players while they learn to read thanks to STTF donations.

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Old 02-19-2009, 04:34 AM   #1052
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Poker Stars $110+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 4 players - View hand 42806
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BB: t1345 M = 29.89
CO: t3630 M = 80.67
Hero (BTN): t1375 M = 30.56
SB: t2650 M = 58.89

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with 4 A
CO raises to t3630 all in, Hero calls t1375 all in, 2 folds

Flop: (t2795) 2 4 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t2795) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2795) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Haven't had a chance to check on SNGWiz yet (Stars still running), and how bad the overcall potential makes it, but dude had literally shoved PF the 1st ~20 hands. I would have preffered a more fun hand like J9s or something, but oh well - love the rare very non-standard situation...
My suspicion is that it's a clear bad call.

I'll give a few intuitive reasons since I don't have SNGWiz.

1. I suspect it's simply bad EVwise for starters
2. It's possible the other opponents weren't paying as close attention as you, so it could be a good situation to "wait for a better spot"
3. If someone else calls him, even if they win it's a good situation for you too, because now he's in danger of busting every single hand (because I assume he will continue to push any 2 every hand no matter what), and it's likely that if you just fold nonstop from this hand until the end of the tournament, he will either bust one of the other two stacks, or get busted himself.

Of course I don't recommend folding every hand no matter what, but my gut tells me that calling here with A4 with 8 billion BB's on the bubble against a psychopath is pretty bad.

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Old 02-19-2009, 04:41 AM   #1053
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

btw what are the highest ROIs these days at like the 100,200 and 300+ levels? (assuming sample size of at least like 3-5k tourneys or so)
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Old 02-19-2009, 05:51 AM   #1054
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

Gah I feel such a drunk. I've drank 3 times in 7 days. Tomorrow and saturday 2 of my friends move out and we obv. "have" to drink.. again.

Yesterday we played some live pokers till 12pm (midnight?). I looked at the bus schedule and saw that the next bus is leaving in 2 hours. Why not to go to the bar next door and drink the cheap beers for a couple hours?

I've not played any kind of live poker for 2 years and eventhough we just played nl10 cash it was pretty fun.

Theres always some kind of excuse for drinking..
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:13 AM   #1055
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

I need help guys! So for my finance class we are doing a stock market simulation game and depending on how well you do in this game is going to be your grade for this assignment. We start with 500k and we can't buy more than 10% of any stock and cannot invest more than 70% of your portfolios in stock. This simulation is only going to last about 3 months. Anyone got any ideas on what to invest in? We can buy options, short and many other things. I want to play it safe so I don't want to take too much risk or take too little. Ideally I want to end up in the middle of the pack. Thank you!
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:16 AM   #1056
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

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btw what are the highest ROIs these days at like the 100,200 and 300+ levels? (assuming sample size of at least like 3-5k tourneys or so)
w/o rakeback, like zero.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:19 AM   #1057
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My A4 definitely held vs. his J4s - if it had been my AJ to his A4, I can almost guarantee it would have not, but I'm sure > 50% of SNG grinders feel that way...
I really hope you're not trying to argue that dominating aces do better or worse than other dominating hands. C'mon dude, you're better than that. Everyone knows the odds of your hand holding is solely a function of the stupidity of villain's play. So in this case I know for a fact that hand wouldn't have held, and you can quit puttin' on airs.
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:16 AM   #1058
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I need help guys! So for my finance class we are doing a stock market simulation game and depending on how well you do in this game is going to be your grade for this assignment. We start with 500k and we can't buy more than 10% of any stock and cannot invest more than 70% of your portfolios in stock. This simulation is only going to last about 3 months. Anyone got any ideas on what to invest in? We can buy options, short and many other things. I want to play it safe so I don't want to take too much risk or take too little. Ideally I want to end up in the middle of the pack. Thank you!
distribute your funds according to the main market index according to wherever you're talking about.

a) you'll probably will do better than average
b) you'll almost certainly not do worse than average

if you don't have any special knowledge, this would seem to be the best option

This is not expert advice. If you want expert tax or legal advice, see an accountant or lawyer and don't rely on anonymous sources
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:42 AM   #1059
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

Poker Stars $55+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 7 players - View hand 43337
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t3840 M = 3.07
SB: t9590 M = 7.67
Hero (BB): t2335 M = 1.87
UTG: t2675 M = 2.14
UTG+1: t1940 M = 1.55
MP: t2005 M = 1.60
CO: t3535 M = 2.83

Pre Flop: (t1250) Hero is BB with 6 7
4 folds, BTN raises to t1200, 1 fold, Hero calls t600

Flop: (t3050) Q 2 T (2 players)
Hero bets t1085 all in, BTN folds

Best stop n' go ever, or I had the best hand (more likely)?
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:27 AM   #1060
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

Indy,
You seem incredibly proud of your poker ability for someone who beats 50 and $100 HU sngs.

To be clear I'm pretty sure all you need to beat $50 HU sngs is a brain and $5000.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:31 PM   #1061
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

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distribute your funds according to the main market index according to wherever you're talking about.

a) you'll probably will do better than average
b) you'll almost certainly not do worse than average

if you don't have any special knowledge, this would seem to be the best option

This is not expert advice. If you want expert tax or legal advice, see an accountant or lawyer and don't rely on anonymous sources
QFT

Your aim here is to get a grade, not to make money (ok, imaginary money). If you don't care at all about getting a bad grade, then you can speculate, especially, you should leverage your investment by using options, but if, as I assume, the grade does matter, you should minimise your bad grade risk, and just buy the market (ie track the index). Some of your peers will get lucky, but most will not have any clue as to strategy, and will underperform the index. Most likely outcome is that you will get an above average performance for your class if you follow Josem's advice.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:34 PM   #1062
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Poker Stars $55+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 7 players - View hand 43337
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t3840 M = 3.07
SB: t9590 M = 7.67
Hero (BB): t2335 M = 1.87
UTG: t2675 M = 2.14
UTG+1: t1940 M = 1.55
MP: t2005 M = 1.60
CO: t3535 M = 2.83

Pre Flop: (t1250) Hero is BB with 6 7
4 folds, BTN raises to t1200, 1 fold, Hero calls t600

Flop: (t3050) Q 2 T (2 players)
Hero bets t1085 all in, BTN folds

Best stop n' go ever, or I had the best hand (more likely)?

Most unlikely to work stop n go ever IMO!
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:20 PM   #1063
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Re: *** Official STTf February kakkendaaliluukku Thread - No lame BBV ***

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w/o rakeback, like zero.
Nah there's people making like 3%.
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:37 PM   #1064
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Indy,
You seem incredibly proud of your poker ability for someone who beats 50 and $100 HU sngs.

To be clear I'm pretty sure all you need to beat $50 HU sngs is a brain and $5000.
you seem like a tremendous douchebag right here, ducy?
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:49 PM   #1065
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You know you've played too much poker when ....

I saw this graph and thought, "how did my city get the red line so consistently above the blue line? Green line is truly awesome though!

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Old 02-19-2009, 03:51 PM   #1066
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Nah there's people making like 3%.
I'm not sure how many SNGs it would take to know that you're true ROI is 3% and not just 3% above expectation. But it's in the 5 figures.
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:55 PM   #1067
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Are the dirty harry sequels as good as the original?
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:12 PM   #1068
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Bleh, it comes out to -0.3% in SNGWiz when I put in what I think the ~ rough variables were (gave him 95%, overcall behind at 2% and 3%), and 4%/8% if I fold. I thought it was more +EV in the moment and was afraid he'd bust quick and I'd miss another good opp. to double through him. Or more likely, I was enfatuated with trying to make a "fancy pants" play.

If you put him in SB and he open-pushes, it's more like +0.3%. Bleh.
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Grumpy old man syndrome imo.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:39 PM   #1070
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Bleh, it comes out to -0.3% in SNGWiz when I put in what I think the ~ rough variables were (gave him 95%, overcall behind at 2% and 3%), and 4%/8% if I fold. I thought it was more +EV in the moment and was afraid he'd bust quick and I'd miss another good opp. to double through him. Or more likely, I was enfatuated with trying to make a "fancy pants" play.

If you put him in SB and he open-pushes, it's more like +0.3%. Bleh.
Also add into the fact that he'll be shoving all remaining hands until he busts and it looks bad. Even if he doubles up the other short stack this hand, he'll still have enough to double you up in future hands.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:45 PM   #1071
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Lesson for the day: always have jumper cables with you. I was vacuuming my car today and left the radio on. It couldn't have been for more than 15 minutes but when I tried to start my car all I heard was a click. I asked about 10-15 people at the car wash place and the gas station next door and none of them had jumper cables. Of course, I realize some might've been lying. Long story short, my gf's sister and her 1 1/2 month old deliver jumper cables to me.
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Old 02-19-2009, 05:59 PM   #1072
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Grumpy old man syndrome imo.
Obviously, although I'm still in denial about my age and the potential for such . My bubble - er - 15/30 level!
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TruFLAGATOR is still grinding 16s
Why does this seem to be the only insult?
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:15 PM   #1074
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Why does this seem to be the only insult?
its not, it is the most direct tho. overall, your reading comprehension is poor like some others imo, no offense.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:35 PM   #1075
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yay me, pic for whine this time!
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